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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Oct 5, 2015 6:01 PM CST
Today's Plumerias of the Day is Plumeria (Plumeria rubra 'Celadine').

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Plumeria (Plumeria rubra 'Celadine') .

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Plumeria (Plumeria rubra 'Celadine')
Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Oct 6, 2015 10:31 AM CST
This is one that I acquired this past year, as a cutting. It made it through the winter with not too much help on my part. I did keep the cutting dry, and in a small "greenhouse" on my back deck.

Potted this cutting up in the spring, and it's had some impressive growth this summer. Though it does have a few spots on some leaves, not certain what they are. Maybe y'all can tell me.
No sign of blooming for this year. Maybe because it was a cutting? Too young?
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I hope I can get it through this coming winter, 'cause I'm really looking forward to some blooming. Whistling Maybe next year.

Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Oct 6, 2015 10:33 AM CST
In the early spring, I would give it some fertilizer. Your plant looks fine and I wouldn't stress too much over the spots on the leaves. I think you could have blooms next year! Thumbs up
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drdawg
Oct 6, 2015 1:21 PM CST
Tara, when I bring my plumeria out of "hibernation" and have them well established again (perhaps 2-3 weeks after being outside full-time), I sprinkle Osmacote over each potting soil. I don't measure anything, but I would guess it would be a tablespoon with plants in 1 gal. containers. It just depends on the container and how many gallons of potting soil there are. After a couple of weeks I will dose all my (mature) plants again, but with Blooming Fertilizer. This would normally be in mid to late May. This could be something like 5-50-10, 0-40-30 or any similar ratio. You want that first number small and the middle number large. I will continue to dose my plants with this fertilizer through July. Does the blooming fertilizer make a difference in blooming? I don't know. It is just what I do.

The spots are probably rust, a fungal disease. I have some of my plants that seem more prone to this that others. Again, I don't know why. In my opinion, these spots are not really important. I just consider them a "companion" that likes plumeria. A bit of rust doesn't seem to bother my plants. I would use a fungicide if the leaves started falling off prematurely or showed signs of stress, like curling.

Unless my plants already have inflo when I cut them for rooting, they typically won't bloom until the second year.
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Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Oct 7, 2015 5:47 AM CST
Thank You! I'll surely follow your lead for fertilizing in the Spring!
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drdawg
Oct 7, 2015 6:04 AM CST
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Name: tarev
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tarev
Oct 7, 2015 11:11 AM CST
I got my Celadine in Aug2013, bought it from Ken. First year it made good leaves, which was good enough for me, I have always managed to kill all my previous cuttings. As seasons changed that year to Fall, I overwintered it indoors, and just brought it out in mid Spring. I got my very first buds forming in Aug 2014, and those are the blooms as shown on the beginning of this thread. It really grew nicely in 2014, doubled its sized.

I also got those leaf markings, but it occurred more towards the cold season. I find that this Plumie likes our cool conditions, though have to shelter it in our garage or upstairs in a south facing room when we had some low 20's in January. After that I just brought it out again to enjoy the rest of our mild winter. The only other issue I got with it during winter time, it got bitten by some nasty critter..maybe a voracious snail. I though it will kill the growing tips, thankfully those bite marks healed and the tips continued on growing. We got some on and off rains during winter, it does not bother it. It finally started to drop the leaves to rest oddly when Spring was setting in around Apr to May this year, bare stick in June and resumed its leafing in July. At that time the tri-tips it was forming is more mature, and eventually the later part of this year, each tri-tip is trying to branch out too.

No blooms this year so far, maybe it is concentrating on energizing/hardening the new tips. But that is okay, I would rather see it mature a bit more so it can handle the forthcoming cold season. Our growing conditions here is rather different, since we get about 5 months of dry conditions, no rain in that period and dismal humidity. And our winter is our rainy season, so maybe that accounts for this plant's happier leaf growth during Fall all the way to Winter. I do have to watch out for our strong winds, we get that during late Fall and Winter. So far it had some bouts and held on well. They forecast an El Nino winter, so will see how it goes.

I intend to keep this plant at a manageable height, so maybe next year, I will have to chop it into parts, otherwise it will be hard to move it in and out.
Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Oct 7, 2015 12:38 PM CST
It sounds like you'll have to do what I have done for the last two decades. Reduce the size of plumeria to be able to move them through doors, even double-doors. You'll just be able to produce more rooted cuttings. Hurray!

I have to stake all of mine to keep the wind from blowing them over. Your season is sort of backwards from us in the Southeast. I can see why your Celadine is "confused".
:tongue_smilie:

I had hopes that my Celadine var. Ramsey would bloom this year with the twice-as-large, almost totally yellow flowers. I have several Celadine in bud so perhaps one of those will be the one. I need to properly tag that one plant but have to see it bloom to do so. I saw yesterday that I have a Celadine with a single stem and now with seven tips. That's going to be a spectacular plant. Many people think the Celadine is sort of "old world" and "ho-hum", but I love them. Why would anyone want to have plants that take 5-7 years to bloom? I know, different strokes for different folks. Whistling I grow my plumeria for their blooms not for their fantastic shape!

I now have Slaughter Pink, Scott Pratt, Madame Gallibert, (to be named) seedling, Jack's Dwarf Yellow, Celadine, and Vera Cruz Rose in bloom. Lots more with inflo. I am catching up with you, @dutchlady1. Hurray!
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Name: tarev
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tarev
Oct 7, 2015 1:28 PM CST
I am just glad I have managed a plumeria to live here Hilarious! And I have long accepted our growing conditions here are so different from everyone else's, so I just read through the various postings, if something will apply I try to do here too.

We got nice low to mid 80's this October, but it is bearably comfortable so the plants seems okay this Fall. Everything varies year to year, so just got to observe them closely. Plumie Celadine is actually dropping some of the lower older leaves which is understandable, but it is still attempting to grow new ones, so I guess there is still some growing it can do. Our long range forecasts even shows low 90's by next Tuesdays. Really funky weather..with hurricane remnants off the Pacific coast, too far to affect us with anything, hopefully it gives us some nice cloud cover at least.
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DavidLMO
Oct 7, 2015 6:59 PM CST
drdawg said: Many people think the Celadine is sort of "old world" and "ho-hum", but I love them.


desire .... Want .... NEED!!! nodding

I have some seed, but I NEED the real thing. May just have to put in a pre-order for next Spring from Ken Big Grin .
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GigiPlumeria
Oct 7, 2015 8:13 PM CST
I don't think we can catch up with the number of plummies Hetty has, especially if you include the Naples Botanical garden collection Hilarious! . all I can say is Drooling Drooling
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drdawg
Oct 7, 2015 8:25 PM CST
Not fair.

A syndicated writer came up to me in the Houston airport. I was waiting for the return trip to Mississippi. Somehow he knew who I was. I don't have a clue how........not important. He said he wanted to compare the number of consecutive games I had attended with others he knew. He named three people, all associated with MSU and who were employed to attend football games. I simply told him that wasn't a fair comparison. Whistling
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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 7, 2015 8:27 PM CST
@DrDawg I wish I had known you were in Houston. I would have at least met you at the airport. I live 17 mins away.
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Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Oct 8, 2015 5:51 AM CST
@shadygreenthumb I thought I had mentioned my trip to A & M in a post, but then again, I may have only dreamed I did. Whistling

I was traveling with our Alumni Association so I had a transfer from Bush to the hotel. I would have loved to have met up with you though. I was traveling alone and had nothing to do my two days in Houston. Perhaps we can get together another time.
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drdawg
Oct 8, 2015 5:57 AM CST
Sighing! Holy cow, @dutchlady1. That's a lot of information the PSA wants for name registration. Sticking tongue out I don't even know how to answer some of them.
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Oct 8, 2015 6:21 AM CST
Trust me - you don't need to do all of it. Just leave out whatever you can't handle.
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drdawg
Oct 8, 2015 6:33 AM CST
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was just going to forget about registering it. Also, there is nothing on this sheet that says I need to include $10. I know I do because you said to, but why wouldn't this be noted?

I tried to contact the PSA via their website, but the site says that their "page" is down and to check back later. What does "later" mean, today, next week, next year? Grrrrrrrrr. I did leave a message on that site, but to tell you the truth, in previous tries at leaving a message, I never once got a reply. I wanted to ask how to fill out the form, not knowing who/what the "Originator", "Cultivator", "Source" is under the heading "HISTORY", why I need to write a description of the plant and flower under the heading "COMMENTS" (all that info is extremely detailed in the rest of this application), and who signs what, "Submitter" or "Originator". It is all just really confusing.
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Oct 8, 2015 9:02 AM CST
You are the one submitting the registration application; in this case you are also the originator (the person who grew the seedling) but that isn't always the case. You could for instance be registering a plant you found at Home Depot as long as it's considered to be unique. That would then be the source.... Comments could include something like 'Found growing by the side of the road on the Big Island of Hawaii.' All this information will help the people responsible for the registration to determine if there is a chance that it is an already existing cultivar.

The many pages of instructions (which I did not send you since they are somewhat out of date) have the note about the $ 10.....
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drdawg
Oct 8, 2015 9:46 AM CST
I tip my hat to you.

OK, I understand a bit more now. I will just state that it was grown from seed but I don't think I know the seed-parent and certainly don't know the pollen-parent. I will fill in what I can and hope for the best. My wife still can't settle on a name. I will have to force the issue with her. Whistling
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Oct 8, 2015 10:29 AM CST
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