Plant Database forum: Copyright of the photos

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CLUSIANA
Oct 15, 2015 7:59 AM CST
Hi everyone
Some days ago I noticed that pictures of the ATP database were 'borrowed' and published over the FB groups without any credit to the author. Today I checked some of mines and noticed that any photo could be copied, both the small and enlarged size and the copyright does not appear anymore on the photo (only on few of them).
Could you please let me know if ATP changed its politics regarding this matter as I disagree totally about my photos being used by anyone without permission and without knowing the purpose of this use. I am very fussy about copyright in consideration of the work and the time spent to feed a database.
Thank you for your answer and other comments.
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 15, 2015 8:03 AM CST

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Our policy has been the same from the beginning. You can read it by clicking on the link in the footer of every page of the site here. People taking photos from a site such as ATP and republishing them elsewhere is wrong, and you can submit a DMCA claim against them on the site where they published it (such as facebook.)

It is then facebook's responsibility to remove the offending image.

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/208282075858952
Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Oct 15, 2015 8:23 AM CST
Thank you, Dave. I tip my hat to you.
If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Oct 24, 2015 1:49 AM CST

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I see the copyright on every one of your photos. And Dave has the right-click copy function disabled for the enlarged photos in the database but of course tech smart folks can work around that if they wanted.

Sometimes I imprint my copyright into a photo and place it somewhere where it's trickier to crop out. I should really do all of mine that way but got lazy.


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CLUSIANA
Oct 24, 2015 2:17 AM CST
I apologize for the late answering Dave. Photos were not mine. That was a question issue. Thank you for the link. It should not be necessary to submit DCMA claims against people using other's photos and for the one who do not understand it should be useful to prevent them to do so.

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CLUSIANA
Oct 24, 2015 2:44 AM CST
Hello Sue
I am using google and I have a PC. The right click is not disabled for me as I can 'save as' and download and copy any photo of the database. I will do screen copy to show you that the copyright is not appearing on every one of my photos. I got lazy too trying to prevent this with, as you say, 'copyright trickier to crop out'. Some people crop photos believing that the author will not recognise it. I have been wondering why most of the time people doing this are speaking about the plants they do not seem to grow in their garden and/or do not take pictures themselves elsewhere Smiling
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
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Calif_Sue
Oct 24, 2015 10:43 AM CST

Plants Admin

If you are finding the images on Google, then yes, you can right click & copy them, as you can with any image found on the internet in a search. You can't right click and copy the enlarged image within the ATP database.
Unless you turned off the ATP copyright preference yourself, it appears in every one of your database images. You have to enlarge them to see it as some images are larger and do not show it in the smaller thumbnail.
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robertduval14
Oct 25, 2015 9:25 AM CST

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Calif_Sue said:If you are finding the images on Google, then yes, you can right click & copy them, as you can with any image found on the internet in a search. You can't right click and copy the enlarged image within the ATP database.
Unless you turned off the ATP copyright preference yourself, it appears in every one of your database images. You have to enlarge them to see it as some images are larger and do not show it in the smaller thumbnail.



While the right-click is disabled, any person can easily get around that if they know a little bit about the various functions on their browser. Image theft on facebook, twitter and pinterest in very common and unfortunately the only option is to do what Dave suggested. There is nothing out there that can prevent someone from grabbing any image from online, including here (even with right-click disabled, those who know how can still very easily grab those images, it only takes about 1 second longer than doing it with the right-click method). One way to do a quick look around the web is to do a google image search at this following link...

http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en

Now, rather then typing into the search box, drag a copy of your photo into the search box and google will search for identical images regardless of size. If you find any you'll need to contact whatever website is hosting it to get it removed. Bottom line...if you put ANY picture online, you can fully expect it may get pulled and used elsewhere. There is not one thing you can do to outright prevent that from happening outside of never posting an image online. Once it is out there, there is no getting it back, so to speak.

Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
Region: California Plant Database Moderator Roses Irises Clematis Garden Photography
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Calif_Sue
Oct 25, 2015 9:48 AM CST

Plants Admin

Yep, which is why I wrote in my first post above "tech smart folks can work around that if they wanted."
Thanks for that photo search link Robert. Thumbs up
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valleylynn
Oct 25, 2015 4:57 PM CST
Wow, thank you Rob for a very cool link. I did not know there was such a thing.

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