Plant ID forum: Tree help

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Name: Mike Spak
Mesa , Arizona (Zone 9a)
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mikespak9
Nov 6, 2015 10:44 AM CST
Hi ALL
I have these trees out front. What are they? All info on them would be helpful.
Thanks
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Nov 6, 2015 10:46 AM CST

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Can we get a closer up photo of the leaves?
Name: Mike Spak
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mikespak9
Nov 6, 2015 11:00 AM CST
Dave
Do these help
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 6, 2015 11:05 AM CST
I agree, a closeup of the leaves and maybe the tree bark will help. My first thought was perhaps Weeping Beech but I don't know if it grows in Arizona. You can view images here for comparison:

Weeping European Beech (Fagus sylvatica 'Pendula')
Fagus sylvatica 'Atropurpurea Pendula'
https://www.chewvalleytrees.co...
http://www.paghat.com/fagusspr...
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Nov 6, 2015 11:13 AM CST

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Good photos.

I don't know what it is but others surely will.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 6, 2015 11:34 AM CST
Definitely not Beech. I wonder if it could be some sort of Carya (Pecan, Hickory)? but with that pendulous growth habit I'm not sure.

Keep watching though because I know someone here will recognize it and be able to give you an ID.
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Name: Mike Spak
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mikespak9
Nov 6, 2015 12:26 PM CST
Here is picture at base (about 12" dia) and at about 5' up. the tree is approx 30 to 35 feet tall.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 6, 2015 12:27 PM CST
A pecan or hickory would have compound leaves.

The leaves appear to be toothless which narrows down the possibilities, and look more alternate than opposite, not that that helps me any. The fruits should hopefully help somebody recognize them though. I'd pondered Moraceae of some kind but don't know of any that match those fruits.
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sooby
Nov 6, 2015 12:50 PM CST
Could it be a more weeping form of Brachychiton populneus?

https://selectree.calpoly.edu/...
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2015 1:03 PM CST
Wow, Sue, that looks like it to me. I've never seen anything like it.
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Nov 6, 2015 1:13 PM CST

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Sure looks like it. We have it in our database, too.

Bottle Tree (Brachychiton populneus)
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2015 1:40 PM CST
The hanging growth pattern of Mike's tree is very attractive and looks different from the tree pictured in the database. Is it a different subspecies?
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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 6, 2015 1:42 PM CST
Are those nuts or are they seeds pods with lots of tiny seeds?
Maybe Brachychiton acerifolius Bottle Tree or something similar?
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Name: Mike Spak
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mikespak9
Nov 6, 2015 1:46 PM CST
Seed pods with tiny seeds
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 6, 2015 3:29 PM CST
The leaves of Brachychiton acerifolius very from being deeply-lobed, to almost entire and elongated.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

Brachychiton populneus leaves don't appear to have the small side lobes, and the seeds are large.

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

Brachychiton australis doesn't appear to fit ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Nor Brachychiton albidus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton chillagoensis ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton diversifolius ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton garrawayae ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton grandiflorus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton paradoxus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton velutinosus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton viridiflorus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Brachychiton xanthophyllus ..

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-se...

Crosses ..

https://www.anbg.gov.au/photo/...

http://www.birdonabranch.com.a...

Other species ..

http://lists.ala.org.au/specie...

Brachychiton discolor may be the closest ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

It's sold in the US ..

https://www.anniesannuals.com/...

http://anpsa.org.au/b-dis.html

Some characteristics given, if they are accurate ..

Native to the dry forests and coastal scrub of northeastern Australia, the tree has smooth green bark and a pyramidal shape when young. With age, the bark becomes cracked and gray, and the tree's canopy a bit more muscular and spreading. Tap the trunk and it sounds hollow, although packed with fibers


Each leaf is bluish green with fuzzy grayish white undersides. Leaf shape is typically a five-lobed star, but older trees' leaves produce more shallowly lobed foliage.


A distinguishing feature of the Queensland lacebark is the cluster of five seed pods that may develop on branch tips, resembling a star from below


http://www.learn2grow.com/plan...

http://toptropicals.com/catalo...
Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)

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plantladylin
Nov 6, 2015 3:37 PM CST
Also in our database: Brush Kurrajong (Brachychiton discolor)
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 6, 2015 3:49 PM CST
B. populneus does have side lobes on some leaves, as in this pic from my earlier calpoly link.

https://selectree.calpoly.edu/...

The weeping form of Mike's tree throws me off a bit but I did find a nursery site that showed a young tree and it was more weeping than the mature ones in the pictures. Not saying it's definitely B. populneus but apparently it is a species that is used in landscaping in Arizona.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 6, 2015 3:55 PM CST
mikespak9 said:Here is picture at base (about 12" dia) and at about 5' up. the tree is approx 30 to 35 feet tall.
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This is a mature tree. Check the mature bark on this link, and the seeds ...

http://keyserver.lucidcentral....

Name: Mike Spak
Mesa , Arizona (Zone 9a)
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mikespak9
Nov 6, 2015 4:26 PM CST
Thanks to all !!
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