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Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM CST
|There has been a recent discussion on rebloom and I happened to remember I had a few photos of pre-bloom and instant rebloom from 2010.|
One way you can have two scapes per fan - but is not instant rebloom - is something that I think only happens in the north. I live in the North, so I am not sure about this - because I have only heard it discussed up here. The pre-bloom scape. It is a left over rebloom scape that does not bloom late in the year before for some reason. You might think there is two scapes per fan. But look close and you will see that the scape is coming up from outside the fan.
If you look on the left of the fan on the left, you can see a scape that has a spent bloom on top. Then, in the middle, and right, a smaller scape that has not bloomed yet.
But, if you look at that scape on the left closely at the ground level, this is what you see.... the scape is clearly coming from outside the fan.
With instant rebloom -- you have this look of one scape taller than the other, and the second scape coming up right after the first one.
And, this is what the instant rebloom scape looks like at the base. You can clearly see two scapes coming out of the same fan.
Aug 17, 2011 4:20 PM CST
|Fantastic photos Juli! I never even though about pre-bloom but I have had only a very few times in my garden. With the prebloom that first bloom of the season is always way out of wack, blooming way before the normal bloom time for the daylily. |
The instant rebloom and instant rebloom with the fans coming up so close to each other they appear to be the same size (also called double scapes or double scaping) is what I am used to seeing around here.
Aug 17, 2011 5:06 PM CST
|I had pre-bloom on daring dilemma this year. It has never happened before.|
It's my cats world, I'm just here to open the cans.
Aug 17, 2011 8:14 PM CST
|Thanks for that Info Juli!!!|
I think I had a couple pre-bloomers this year cause I had 2 mid bloomers blooming first this year before my Early Bloomer. My Siloam Gumdrop did the instant rebloom for me this year -- it is a mature plant that I havent yet split -- it has never done that before.
Some times in the AHS directory it will say Extended Bloom -- so if we have Rebloomers and Pre-Bloomers -- what would the definition of an Extended Bloomer be? (since it indicates bud count etc...is that the expected bud count and anything more that you get is the extended part??)
"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously."
2 Corinthians 9:6
Name: Dick Henley
Central Ohio (Zone 6a)
Aug 17, 2011 8:46 PM CST
|Prebloomers or early bloomers come from scapes formed the previous season, which have the potential of blooming late in that season, or being rebloom. They apparently don't get going in time, live through the winter, then jump up early the next season. Dick|
Dick in Ohio
Name: Dick Henley
Central Ohio (Zone 6a)
Aug 17, 2011 8:49 PM CST
|I consider extended bloomers those that bloom over a long period of time, either by reblooming before the first set of scapes are finished, or perhaps budbuild, that is, forming new buds on the scape as it blooms. I have several that do that and when I think of their names, I will try to remember to post them here. Memory is the second thing to go. |
Dick in Ohio
Aug 17, 2011 10:38 PM CST
|Missouri Gold has to be an instant rebloomer and an extended bloomer or should I say bud builder, as it has sent up 3 scapes one after the other and when I thought the first scape was about done it had more buds and is still going. I am very impressed with this plant.,|
Aug 18, 2011 7:09 AM CST
|Dick, I forget what the first thing to go is...|
I was thinking of starting a new thread for bud building. They have such unique scapes where the bud building happens... I need to get some photos of that. I have one that is a perfect example. I will set my camera out and see if I can get some decent photos of the spiraling scape tops.
I have had very few really reliable rebloomers. Bob, down the road, has sought them out, and he has quite a few more. Then, I don't do much watering, if at all. I think watering helps a lot!
Aug 20, 2011 7:11 AM CST
|I found a photo I took earlier this year of Leprechaun's Lace (Hudson-E. - Which is E. Salter before she was married). It is one of my most reliable rebloomers - and it almost always instant reblooms too. Since it has been such a dry summer, it is not reblooming much this summer. It did send up a few instant rebloom scapes. But, now is the time is should be sending up a few scapes - and so far - nothing.|
You can clearly see in this photo that it is blooming away - and has a new scape coming up.
Aug 20, 2011 7:23 AM CST
|I have a fairly large clump of So Lovely and it only sent up one scape. Well I was checking for seed pods the other day and noticed that So Lovely is sending up a scape now. I have never had it bloom this late before.|
Silver Spring, Maryland 20906 (Zone 7a)
Sep 2, 2011 6:18 PM CST
|Not being knowledgable on daylilies since I don't have any yet..is the scape the stem on which the daylily blooms? I don't understand the daylily terminology. Common sense tells me a rebloomer is a daylily that reblooms over and over. Pre-bloom to me means that there are buds that have been formed but has not bloomed yet. What's this bud building business? Are daylilies building buds that never open?|
Sep 2, 2011 6:24 PM CST
|Well no. There are really, really few daylilies that rebloom multiple times. A daylily listed as rebloom means that it reblooms once (could be more) wherever it was grown by the hybridizer. Doesn't necessarily mean it will reblom elsewhere.|
Sep 2, 2011 8:21 PM CST
|Yes, the scape is the stem on which the daylilies bloom. If you go to this link on the AHS website it gives you the definitions to the terminology.|
When referring to rebloom it means that the daylily sends up another scape usually after the first one is done blooming, but sometimes while the other is still blooming.
Bud builder definition from AHS
Scientifically called "indeterminate inflorescence," it means "continuing to grow at the apex" or end of the scape. A pattern of growth on scapes in which buds continue to form as lower buds open. A scape showing this characteristic will get taller through the bloom season. It is a somewhat unreliable trait, dependent upon weather and growing conditions. Later bloom tends to be sparce.
Those buds will bloom.
Sep 3, 2011 6:58 AM CST
|Pippi, welcome to our forum, and welcome to daylilies! The link Michelle gave you above to the daylily club's website terms page is a good one to bookmark. they have definitions, most with photos, to all the most common terms used about daylilies. |
Dave has in the works to add some space to the right side bar for moderators to put some links to web pages or to classic threads and such. I will be putting one there to the AHS webpage, database and terms page, if they will all fit!
Sep 3, 2011 10:23 AM CST
Pippi21 said:Pre-bloom to me means that there are buds that have been formed but has not bloomed yet.
That is not quite right. A pre-bloom is a rebloom scape that would have bloomed in the fall, but weather or other reasons kept it from coming up and blooming, so it was suspended, and came out in early spring, prior to regular bloom time. If you go up to the first few posts in this thread, it is explained. A pre bloom scape is always from outside the fan's base, not from within the formation of the leaves of the fan like a normal fan. That is why I posted the photos showing the base of the fan, where the scape comes out - to show the difference.
It is confusing for a "newbie" to daylilies. For now, I would just remember that if you are buying a daylily, since you live in Maryland - if it says it reblooms - I would not count on it. Check with people in your area, or people on forums such as this one first, if rebloom is important to you. Or, buy plants from people such as Richard Norris, who is working hard on hybridizing plants that reliably rebloom in northern states.
Perhaps a better way to extend the season of bloom in the north is to try to select plants that bloom in the early season, mid season, and late season.
Sep 3, 2011 8:07 PM CST
|And Pippi, even that does not always work to extend the season. This season due to the cold wet June, and then the hot dry July, all of my early season day lilies bloomed in July, and almost all of my late season bloomers, bloomed in July.....|
July was a beautiful month here, but it was a bit bare in June and August!