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Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
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coconut
Aug 18, 2011 1:16 PM CST
Hi, I am going to attempt to post the history of a group of obseums from seed to bloom. Here are the seeds, and seedlings. I bought seeds from Anucha, a monk in Thailand. The seeds have both parents double and triple flowers, so this should be interesting! I started with ?? seeds, didn't count, and 160some sprouted.

On Ebay, the only seller that I will buy from is Mr. Ko, his name there is Adenium_ko. He is great, shows both parents. On the left side of the page, you can 'specify seller'

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_SpecificSeller=1..adenium_ko&...

Anucha is on facebook, and has lots of seeds for sale. They're from all double flower parents, but mixed. He's Anucha Hiransirilak (Anucha)


Here they are laid out in a kitty litter tray. They'd soaked for three hours in water that had been boiled and COOLED to warm, not more than 90 degrees f. I covered them with about 1/8 inch of 'medium', a mix of perlite and peatmoss, and watered them gently and well. The mix in the tray is about three inches deep.
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And three days later, the first sprouts! Click the photo to see them better.
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Until they are much bigger, they should not dry out, they will lose their tiny, microscopic feeder roots.

Some people 'squirt' the embryo out of the seed coat, but I stopped doing that. Once the seeds have sprouted, the seed coat should be coaxed off, I use two long deli sandwich tooth picks, one to brace the plant, and the other to push off the coat. Also, it's important to do this while they coat is wet, I spray lightly with plain water to keep the coats wet and softened. There is a sort of peanut paper on the tiny plants, also, and that must be pulled gently off the plant.

I'm good at doing tedious little tasks!

I'll take photos with my next seeds, to illustrate all this coat pulling. Sorry I missed this step!
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Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM CST
Is he on eBay?
Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
Aug 18, 2011 3:21 PM CST
Your seeds did good Melissa, I planted some seeds 5 days ago, nothing yet, maybe I should bring them in out of the sun
Name: Michael Hicks
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chefmike92
Aug 18, 2011 8:19 PM CST
SO BRING WATER TO BOIL AND COOL THEN SOAK HOW LONG. i HAVE 200+ SEEDS COMING AND LIKE TO KNOW THE BEST WAY TO START THEM. GOT TO WATCH THIS FOR SURE THE BABIES LOOKING GREAT

MIKE
Name: Ron Case
Marble Falls, Texas
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rucky
Aug 19, 2011 4:54 AM CST
I think this will be interesting I have had good success sprouting but can't seem to go from babies to yearlings so I will be watching this close to see what I'm doing wrong.

Ron
Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
Aug 19, 2011 6:02 AM CST
Mike I just use warm water from the faucet, soak my seeds at least three hours, then comes the time consuming task, slip the seeds out of the cover, if they have soaked long enough it is easy, the coat just slips right off, as you do that lay the seeds on top of the damp soil, then barely cover the seed with soil, keep damp, not wet, fresh seeds takes anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of months, I have had both.
Name: Charleen
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Ridesredmule
Aug 19, 2011 7:21 AM CST
Me too Doris, Hot water from Faucet and let it set overnight. No boiling for me, my luck I'd cook them...
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
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coconut
Aug 19, 2011 11:13 AM CST
I let the boiled water cool to room temperature, guess I should go edit that in. OK.

Some more photos....

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They 'look' toward the light

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A late sprout
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Pen is pointing at an odd leaf. I don't know if the plant will be odd.

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I visited a friend when she was touching up her hair color, and I got this great little squirty bottle when she was done.
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. I am silly-fussy, using the bottle to spot fertilize, down amongst the plants. Then I use an old clean Windex spray bottle to give the whole pan a heavy mist. Not a watering, but a good wetting of the leaves.

I'm already fertilizing with diluted 10-20-30, I'm guessing! I use a 'super bloom' kind of fertilizer, (10-35-10), and add Muriate of Potash (0-0-60, not soluable, but most of it disolves) about spoon per spoonful, to try to get in the ball park with the numbers. I also use Spray and Grow, but only on the roots, I have bad luck spraying the stuff, but others say their Adeniums like to be sprayed with Spray and Grow.

The tray gets full sun until about ten am, then I put it out on my deck under a glass refridgerator door that I scrounged. The sun is filtered a bit, and the young plants are protected from the occasional hard downpour of our tropical cloudbursts. One time I got home and found an unprotected tray of month-old babies had been really smashed by the rain, all the potting mix was gone, and the tiny bare root plants were in a tangle in the bare bottom of the tray, waaaa!

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Name: Michael Hicks
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chefmike92
Aug 19, 2011 3:53 PM CST
thanks for the input i would like to get some babies and this is my first time with these seeds i do good with others i am catching rain water for other plants which seem to work good. im lucky that we are in the rainy season (Im In Central florida) grass is ass height! but plants love it. my plumeria are growing like crazy! a good down poor just after baking at about 95-100 deg cools them off then sun to dry them off some till sundown. ii have about 90 new plants from co-op and thinking about getting about 80 purple rose 70 1 yo seedlings and 10 4-5 yo seedlings to try to make min in this co-op. WHAT am i going to do if we get a hurricane come this way. Ill be sleeping with the plants Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing anyone whant to order plants find my co-ops on that thread!
thanks again those babies are great do you know what color? what are you going to do with all those if they make it?

mike
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hoainiem
Aug 19, 2011 11:15 PM CST
I got seeds from Mr. Ko and planted 15 seeds (Spindrift x Artic Snow). All 15 germinated within a week. Yoohoooo. 14 of them have green stems and 1 has red stem. I will have to label them carefully and wait to see the difference between them.
Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
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chefmike92
Aug 20, 2011 11:50 PM CST
i HOPE MY SEEDS ARE THAT GOOD BUT I WISH I ORDERED FROM MR KO NOW THAT I AM HEARING FROM SO MANY PEOPLE HOW GREAT HIS SEEDS ARE IM KINDA NERVOUS.


MY ADENIUM CO-OP ENDS IN A FEW DAYS COME ON OVER AND PUT A ORDER IN IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME


THANKS \MIKE

Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
Aug 21, 2011 10:02 AM CST
Well I am begining to get dissapointed the seeds I got from Mr Ko are not showing yet, (a week) I am wondering if the seeds were old, as the coating did not come off easy like it should after three hours of soaking, last seeds I got from him came up in three days.
Name: Sylvain Forest
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lourspolaire
Aug 22, 2011 4:11 AM CST
Hi, everyone.

I have just logged into this site for the 1st time about 10 minutes ago. I saw "adeniums" and I clicked on it right away. I am what you could call an adenium addict. Following Wilfred's very detailed instructions, I managed to get my adeniums to produce seeds by cross-polinating the flowers with a long-haired, very narrow brush. My efforts produced 4 seed pods. When they opened, I cut them off the plant and dug out the seeds. Each seed has one of those horrible tufts of fluff at each end. I removed those fluffy nuisances right away. That's a task best done inside as they fly everywhere on the wind, and even in the breeze of the air conditionner system. Chasing seeds on my desk is not something I enjoy doing.

So, I managed to produce 162 seeds. I soaked them in a glass of room-temperature tap water overnight. The next day, I swirled the seeds and water in the glass and dumped the whole thing on the surface of a plastic tray containing 2 inches of potting soil. The water drained through the potting soil and the seeds sat on top of it. I then added a thin layer (1/8 inch) potting soil over the seeds and left them to their own devices on my patio in full sun. Within 3 days, everything was sprouting. I couldn't believe it. I have now thinned out and repotted over 150 seedlings. They all look very happy and healthy.

This is the best success I have had yet with adenium seeds. I believe Wilfred once said that those seeds have practically no shelf life and must be planted while very fresh. That would seem to be the case. I remember ordering seeds from Thailand and only getting 2% of them to germinate. At 92.59% germination rate, I am extremely pleased. I will be polinating again today.

Take care, all.
Sylvain.
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Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
Aug 22, 2011 6:27 AM CST
Good morning and welcome, sounds like you did great with your seeds, this is the first time mine have not germinated, I will still leave them for awhile.
Is that one of your plants, it's beautiful, hope to see more pictures from you.
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gone2seed
Aug 22, 2011 9:02 AM CST
kareoke said:, this is the first time mine have not germinated, I will still leave them for awhile.

Doris,one week is too soon to worry.If you have not seen any by the end of two weeks then start to worry.It can easily take up to a month.
Now,that said,why not try some without taking off the seedcoat.I don't know who started that but it is wrong.The seed coat protects the seed until it sprouts.


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Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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kareoke
Aug 22, 2011 10:38 AM CST
That was advise from Wilfred, sure would like to know what happened to him, he had a big following, and suddenly left.
Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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kareoke
Aug 22, 2011 4:15 PM CST
YEA two of my seeds popped up today
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
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coconut
Aug 23, 2011 11:00 AM CST
I believe a woman from Arizona got started 'popping' off the seed coat. Oh, dear, what was her name??

When seeds sprout, sometimes they can't get out of the coat, and need help, otherwise they'll die.

A better post in a couple of days, I'm recovering from a Tropical Storm, named Irene. Little damage, actually, tho' I now have ALL my plants in my living room, almost can't walk through!
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mandala
Aug 23, 2011 1:49 PM CST
Hoainiem is now Mandala.
The obstacle is the path. ~ Zen Proverb
Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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kareoke
Aug 24, 2011 6:07 AM CST
Hi mandala.
Melissa hope you are able to put your plants back outside soon.
Wilfred was the one that told me to take the cover off the seeds, makes them easier to sprout. I now have 7 of the 8 seeds sprouted, I am hoping to get a yellow. but you never know with seeds.I have 8 more to start.

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