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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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Jan 14, 2016 5:31 PM CST
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Jan 16, 2016 1:12 PM CST
Well.....if that were my house or my client's house, first thing I would do is remove all the green shrubs up by the house. I think they really take away from the beauty of the house. I would have low growing annuals such as either vinca or begonias in the area between the drive and the house, and I would brick a good part of it and add classic benches for photos. Can you grow magnolias there? A magnolia might be a smoother counterpoint to the spruce trees. (Is that what they are?)
Outside the driveway area is where I would do a flower bed. I would use tall enough plants that the driveway blacktop would be hidden from the lawn, which kind of makes the house "float" in the flower beds. The view from the lawn would be much improved, and wedding photos would be grounded better.
A mix of neater grasses (such as the oft-used Karl Foerster grass), gladiolas, iris, lilies, cannas, roses and annuals would work if arranged where, say, all the iris or peonies were in one area so spring weddings could focus on that area, then farther down, summer plants grouped together for color later. Mixed borders are high maintenance, but unless you want to use all annuals or all foliage plants, you need to bunch the perennials by flowering time. A huge planting of white peonies would be lovely. There are a few white peonies that do bloom later that might hit the June wedding market. There are lower growing white hydrangeas that might work there too.
Something about those green shrubs just makes me want to scream. They just don't work.
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 16, 2016 3:10 PM CST
Excellent suggestions Cindi! I'm not very fond of the boxwoods either, but I don't think I'd have luck convincing the owners to ditch them. They do effectively hide the cement foundation under the porch, but I can think of a lot of other plants I'd prefer for that use. The traditional historic use of boxwoods at old manor homes appeals to the owner. I get that, but they do verge dangerously close to "green meatballs" LOL. However I do think I could convince them to replace the blue spruces with magnolias- that would be gorgeous! And they bloom heaviest in June! The lawn space in front of the boxwoods is where I'd love to do gardens, but some ceremonies use that area (although if it weren't an option any longer, there is still plenty of usable space). The house emerging from a bed of flowers would be glorious! Perhaps some tall lilies and other flowers would detract from the shrubs, and use the dark green as a backdrop for pastel colored bloom.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Mike
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Calsurf73
Jan 19, 2016 8:21 PM CST
That really is a beautiful house/estate !
The green meatballs definitely have to go. LOL
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Jan 22, 2016 10:10 AM CST
Neal, I didn't mean to suggest you remove the spruces. Not sure where to add the magnolias, but I think the smooth round leaves would help with the scale problem of huge house, little meatballs. Filling the spaces between the boxwoods with lilies short and tall sounds cool--what if you used a wide assortment of asiatics, orientals, orienpets, etc, all in white?
There are magnolia varieties that top out at 12', which would give you some layering.
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Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Jan 22, 2016 11:39 AM CST
The spruces are kind of thin and seem to be struggling a bit, likely due to compacted soil that wasn't prepared properly. The owners have discussed possibly removing them at some point if they don't recover. Adding magnolias would be great though! And they do love lilies (and so do I!), so they would love a design incorporating them.

Snowing like mad now and accumulating quickly!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Newyorkrita
Jan 22, 2016 1:18 PM CST
Lots of snow expected here also. Supposed to snow all day Saturday.
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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lovemyhouse
Jan 22, 2016 3:34 PM CST
In case anyone needs a flower fix, blooming this afternoon:

Black Forest
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First Prize
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Easy Does It
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Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Jan 22, 2016 4:04 PM CST
Wish we could get some snow. It's just dreary here, dreary and cold. A foot of bright, fluffy, sparkly snow blanketing all my shivering flowers would be a dream.
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Jan 22, 2016 4:09 PM CST
Debra,
your roses are beautiful, as always! My Black Forest doesn't look anything like yours. Is yours the Kordes rose? Mine is double, but the center part never really opens. It looks like a marble in the center. Maybe it's the camera...my rose is a true red, is yours? The camera always has problems reading red.
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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
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lovemyhouse
Jan 22, 2016 4:32 PM CST
Cindi, yes, it is the Kordes and came from Palatine. Mine is red, just has the sun behind it this afternoon. Smiling
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Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Newyorkrita
Jan 22, 2016 6:35 PM CST
CindiKS said:Wish we could get some snow. It's just dreary here, dreary and cold. A foot of bright, fluffy, sparkly snow blanketing all my shivering flowers would be a dream.
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Wish you could have ours!!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jan 23, 2016 12:22 AM CST
gemini_sage said:The spruces are kind of thin and seem to be struggling a bit, likely due to compacted soil that wasn't prepared properly. The owners have discussed possibly removing them at some point if they don't recover. Adding magnolias would be great though! And they do love lilies (and so do I!), so they would love a design incorporating them.


Neal ... I am growing a star magnolia as a shrub, which is how they are often grown in England. At least that was the plan until the deer chomp.

I am going to have to do some reshaping this spring after the bloom. That dang doe simply did not know the rules of good pruning ... Sad

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
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lovemyhouse
Jan 23, 2016 9:49 AM CST
"That dang doe simply did not know the rules of good pruning." Smiling
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 23, 2016 10:31 AM CST
I usually see star magnolias grown as large shrubs here too, but I think a small tree shape would be pretty! Life gives you lemons.... deer are horribly frustrating though, sorry you're having to deal with them.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Newyorkrita
Jan 23, 2016 10:39 AM CST
Newyorkrita said:

Wish you could have ours!!


Saying now that we are going to have 24 inches of snow!!! Crying Grumbling
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jan 23, 2016 10:51 AM CST
Debra ...

You would never imagine the damage one doe could do. It took three tries to finally get every possible entrance to the house pad garden blocked. We would block two or three and then she would find another one. We blocked the new entry point and then we would block any other block any other possible entrance point we had not thought of the first round. The she ate all of the vinca on the slope by the stairs going up from the street level and found a way under the fence. So we blocked the whole slope. Before we got that slope blocked, she managed to get into the fenced street rose ... Linda Campbell ... and deer pruned that rose. I do NOT know how she managed to get out of the deer cage.

Then some how she managed to push the deer cage surrounding the Cardnal Hume bed on the lawn level in to eat the front of that shrub and most of 'Margo Koster'. Once I fixed that problem, she decided to eat my star magnolia. She ate all of my blue eyed grass and all of the other "deer resistant" plants out in front of the house.

The only roses not deer pruned are the five in the top tier in front of the house. That deer cage held.

I know this is going to sound terrible, but I hope she gets hers. Last evening when I was up at the top of the slope checking the fence, I saw several cougar tracks. With all of this rain, it is pretty muddy, but not sloppy muddy up there. This is the first time I've seen cat tracks on my property. There's no doubt in my mind that they were cougar tracks. At least I could see that they were headed OUT of my property towards the deer trail on the other side of my deer fence up there.

Spring is coming and I'll have a lot of work reshaping everything.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 23, 2016 10:54 AM CST
I'd have been sorely tempted to have that doe in my freezer!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jan 23, 2016 11:57 AM CST
That's a thought.

Actually, she was just doing what deer do ... especially when they are very hungry because of the drought.

In a way, it's my fault she ever got into the garden because I had not checked that fence for a while. The section where the top rail came down is located at the top of the slope in the far back corner.

When my neighbor's grape vine died due to lack of water and the rail down, she found a way into the garden. Once in, she found deer candy.

The roses will come back because they all have good root systems. It's going to be interesting to see how they return because I have never given the roses such a hard prune.

Who knows ? Maybe she did me a favor with the roses, but she didn't have to go after my magnolia ... Glare
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
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lovemyhouse
Jan 23, 2016 11:59 AM CST
Rooting for the cougar, then, Lyn. I always liked them better than deer, anyway. Smiling Group hug
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