Plant Database forum: listing a plant

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Name: Agavegirl1
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AgaveGirl1
Jan 5, 2016 10:34 AM CST
I am not sure how to list my plant. I have 2 names. E. subdenudata and Echinopsis dominos. I would like to add it to the plant file, however, as it is not in there. Could you help me list it properly so that I may share it with others? Here's 3 pictures of it.

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It is presently 3 inches tall by 5 inches around. Will not get much bigger. It likes a 60% sun and 40% shade, warm climate as I am in 9B, needs little to moderate water, excellent drainage and deep dry in winter. Blooms once in the year and mostly at night. Blooms last 1 to 2 days typically.

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jmorth
Jan 5, 2016 10:41 AM CST
Here you go -
Echinopsis (Echinopsis ancistrophora)
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jmorth
Jan 5, 2016 10:42 AM CST
It's a syn., the above is it's most recent classification.
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by the way, nice pic.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 5, 2016 10:49 AM CST
Hi AgaveGirl1
Welcome to All Things Plants. Beautiful bloom on that tiny Echinopsis.
Name: Agavegirl1
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AgaveGirl1
Jan 5, 2016 11:18 AM CST
Thanks guys I tip my hat to you.

Really glad you like my little Echinopsis. It was a BIG surprise when that happened. It was also the very first bloom I ever had on any of my plants. My garden is very young as I lived in my new home less than a year.

I'll make note of its most recent classification. I stink at Latin names but notice I do have some things that aren't in the plant files. Not knowing Latin names or taking for granted what's on the container I guess doesn't help when it comes to adding to the file. I try.

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plantladylin
Jan 5, 2016 3:58 PM CST
Hi @AgaveGirl1 Welcome! to All Things Plants from me too!
I don't know much about cactus at all but those are lovely photos of your plants ... I especially love your database photos of that Golden Barrel Cactus!

If you are ever unsure of a plant's scientific name, don't hesitate to ask. We have some really knowledgeable and helpful members here on site ... they've been a tremendous help to me many times!

We have a Plant ID Forum: http://garden.org/forums/view/... that is very helpful too and generally someone will recognize a plant very quickly and be able to give the name of the plant in question.

Again, Welcome to the site!

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RickCorey
Jan 5, 2016 5:05 PM CST
Welcome to ATP, AgaveGirl1! Nice photos!

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Jai_Ganesha
Jun 16, 2018 8:16 AM CST
This is an older post but I wanted to respond because I just submitted an "add a new plant" for the variety Dominos. As far as I can see, it's called Echinopsis ancistrophora "Dominos" because the white on the areoles is more clustered together into little spots (like dominos the toy/game).
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Calif_Sue
Jun 16, 2018 9:44 AM CST

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I found Dominos under two different species names when I searched.
I found a comment on this site that Echinopsis 'dominos' and Echinopsis subdenudata are the same species. http://cactiguide.com/forum/vi...

"dominos' is just a form with more woolly aeroles. Altman no doubt love to make up names for plants, so they seem more exotic or something. I'm fairly certain it's just a sales tactic."


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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Jun 16, 2018 10:33 AM CST
How do you determine when a listed variety is a sales tactic? I'm curious where that line is drawn.

For example, there are a million kinds of daylilies being marketed that can look superficially very similar.
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zuzu
Jun 16, 2018 11:36 AM CST

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Daylily cultivar names are registered, and even the ones that can look quite similar have different parents and therefore are different plants.

I can't find an Echinopsis cultivar registry, and even the link you have provided on your new plant proposal does not enter the name in single quotes, which usually signifies that it is a cultivar name. The link lists it as "Domino Cactus-Echinopsis Dominos." No species listed, no single quotes enclosing Dominos, and the use of Domino as a common name. You have entered an Echinopsis species (Echinopsis ancistrophora) as the common name and 'Dominos' as the cultivar name, but your link doesn't support your proposal.
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Jai_Ganesha
Jun 16, 2018 11:44 AM CST
Gotcha. I didn't mean to speak specifically for Echinopsis ancistrophora "dominos," although it did seem like that. I just mean in general because I don't always understand where the line is that makes any given plant a named "variety" verses a sales tactic given that most don't have registries or databases. From your answer, am I correct to understand that you're saying you don't, too?
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zuzu
Jun 16, 2018 11:55 AM CST

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In cases where there aren't registries or databases, I rely on Internet searches. If the name is identified as a cultivar (by being enclosed in single quotes) on many websites, I feel I can safely assume it's a known cultivar name. If it's used mainly as a common name (Domino Cactus) for plants of different species, I assume it isn't a cultivar name. I'm going to decline your new plant proposal. You could submit a name edit proposal to add Domino Cactus as a common name to the species entry.
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mcvansoest
Jun 16, 2018 12:02 PM CST
It is a commonly available selection of what used to be E. subdenudata. Just like another: E. subdenudata 'Fuzzy Navel', which was released by the Huntington as part of the ISI plant introductions:

http://www.huntington.org/bota...

From this description the link to E. ancistrophora does not to appear extremely certain...

I have both and it is unclear to me what is the difference between Dominos and Fuzzy Navel. Supposedly Fuzzy Navel has more wool on the areoles, but my plants were equally woolly and as they grew bigger both started loosing that really woolly appearance. I have some seedlings of Fuzzy Navel that look really woolly at the moment. Flowers are the same as well, so it feels like this might just be a sales tactic. I think that Domino or Dominos might be an Altman's plant introduction, which makes it possible they just changed the name to have something 'new' to sell, or that they actually selected a specific plant and brought that into production that is similar enough to be hard to distinguish.
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Jai_Ganesha
Jun 16, 2018 12:03 PM CST
No, I actually think it should be declined. I submitted it because one of the plants I got was listed as "Echinopsis subdenudata 'dominos'" but if that were the case, it should have been "Echinopsis ancistrophora 'dominos'," anyway.

Internet searches seem prone to so much error. But I guess it's the best/only guide there is. Another member and I have been breeding our own strains of zinnias for years. I wonder at what point those would be listed as varieties, if we sold them and listed them for sale?

I don't think I'll ever sell them (I'd rather give them away) or list them, but both of us have lineages which are clearly and obviously distinct from any mixes or cultivars available to the public. So that's where my mind goes when I think about how you determine what is or is not a variety of any given species.
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greene
Jun 16, 2018 12:55 PM CST
Jai_Ganesha said:This is an older post but I wanted to respond...


The only problem when you add your new question to an existing thread is that the OP will get getting alerts for each of the new posts. Some folks don't mind, but some do. Shrug! It may be better to start your own thread.
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Name: Jai or Jack
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Jai_Ganesha
Jun 16, 2018 1:04 PM CST
I actually couldn't figure out how to post in this forum at first (but now I have) because I was on the wrong place. Sorry, @AgaveGirl1!
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