Plant ID forum: Brazilian plant from the Atlantic Forest..

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jan 14, 2016 8:10 AM CST
It was growing epiphytic on a tree trunk in the deep shade..
It kind of looks like a jewel orchid?


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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Feb 14, 2016 8:16 AM CST
This beauty reminds me of a Jewel Orchid.
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2016 8:54 AM CST
Yes, it does Lin, but my search has been fruitless.. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 15, 2016 1:37 PM CST
Perhaps this link may be of use Myriam.

http://www.delfinadearaujo.com/estados/mapa.htm

http://www.delfinadearaujo.com/on/on19/pages/eco01en.htm
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 15, 2016 3:51 PM CST
Interesting links you gave Jean! I've never came upon them before! Thumbs up
I'll have a closer look at them tomorrow with a fresh mind, it is late over here..
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 15, 2016 4:18 PM CST
You are very welcome. It seems Delfina and her husband Sergio are experts on orchids of Brazil. They have published books and maintain the site I posted the link for. Thank you for the acorn...I do hope the site is helpful to you.
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 16, 2016 2:33 AM CST
Aspydogyne fimbrillaris (syn: Physurus nobilis)

I think this one is a good candidate! According to the botanical drawings it looks to be variable..
No photos to be found on the web though..
https://orchid.unibas.ch/index.php/en/database-search/advanc...
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 16, 2016 6:16 AM CST
A very useful site! It's a shame there's no proper photos.

Aspidogyne grouping of 46 small terrestrial species, distributed throughout the Brazilian territory, and from Guatemala to northern Argentina, from sea level up to 2000 meters of altitude, in dark places with moist soils, on the banks of the rivers, and in crevices of rocks


https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https...

Would this grow on a tree also I wonder?

I found some sites for Brazil and Argentina which might be of use for other plants if not this one..

http://www.ra-bugio.org.br/ver_especie.php?id=1571

http://florademisiones.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/ORCHIDACE...

This orchid forum might help ..

http://forum.theorchidsource.com/ubbthreads.php/galleries/27...

































Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 16, 2016 6:23 AM CST
This site I found many moons ago, there's a special page for Brazil.

http://www.orchidspecies.com/index.htm

http://www.orchidspecies.com/brazil.htm
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JRsbugs
Feb 16, 2016 6:41 AM CST
I searched for "orchidaceae Mata Atlantica" which brought up several interesting links.

http://orquideasdamatatlantica.com/

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=orchidaceae+Mata+Atlantica...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 16, 2016 7:27 AM CST
Thanks for all the great links Janet! Thumbs up
I have to go thoroughly through them, I've copied them all in my Orchid folder on a document. A lot to read and to study there! Jean's link with the list of all species occurring in the Rio state is very useful indeed..

I find it a pity I found so little in bloom the times I was there which are January-February (the months I most like to escape from the cold, wet and dark Belgium) and the Atlantic Forest is considered being so rich in them.
Of course many are growing epiphytic, too high up in the tree canopy to get a glimpse of possible blooms..if only I could be a bird.. Hilarious!
I have quite some photos of just orchid foliage though, but I guess it is a hopeless task to find ID's for them.. Rolling my eyes.

I do think that orchids that are normally terrestrial can also grow on tree trunks because of the humidity level and the plant debris that accumulates on the trunks?
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 16, 2016 11:32 AM CST
In reading on various sites, some said "orchid X" is typically terrestrial but in rainforest conditions may be epiphytic. This seems to be the exception, not the norm. A few were listed as strictly terrestrial and some were strictly epiphytes. The literature was fairly specific about which ones could grow under either situation.

I did notice that Janet's link to The Orchid Source has an ATP member posting in that link. @Ursula may be able to help here as from what I have noted, she has a fair amount of experience with orchids.

This is a pic of Aspidogyne fimbrillaris ,a terrestrial

https://www.flickr.com/photos/138145476@N05/23425631966/in/p...
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JRsbugs
Feb 16, 2016 11:52 AM CST
It might not be an orchid. Whistling
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 16, 2016 12:00 PM CST
And what might its' secret be?
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JRsbugs
Feb 16, 2016 12:20 PM CST
Moonhowl said:And what might its' secret be?


The depths of the Brazilian rainforest harbour mysterious plants, many in families we are not familiar with.

We have found a plant in the nettle family, which looks nothing like a nettle. There are plants in some families which are very similar to plant in other families. It's a mystery. Hilarious!

Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 16, 2016 5:56 PM CST
I heard my name! Smiling Yes, I used to be one of the regular posters at the OSF, but nowadays most of their members post on Facebook, with the American Orchid Society Group.
If you are a member of this group, or if you like to become a member, posting it there might help, since there are true Orchid experts from all over the world looking at your posts.
I am not very good with different types of Jewel Orchids, my first impression was Goodyera, but I am sure you are all already way past that one...
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 16, 2016 7:53 PM CST
Hi Ursula. Thanks for looking in. I must admit I had a twofold reason for the shout out.

Firstly to draw on your knowledge of orchids, and secondly to draw on your on-line time with knowledgeable orchid aficionados who might know something about Brazilian orchids. *Blush*

The more I read, the less I think it is one of the Jewel Orchids, or at least one of the better known Jewels. Unless there is a possibility that this one is "accidentally" an Epiphyte. Every reference I have searched lists the Jewels as terrestrials.

Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 17, 2016 1:56 AM CST
thanks Jean, the photo of Aspidogyne fimbrillaris is clearly not like mine, but another I have found growing terrestrial in the same environment.

JRsbugs said:It might not be an orchid. Whistling

Hilarious!
True without flowers one cannot know for sure..
Thanks Ursula for popping in!
I'm not inscribed with facebook..
I wouldn't be able to give any contribution though, my orchid knowledge is as good as nihil! Rolling my eyes.

I think this one will have to join the ranks of my Brazilian noids! Hilarious!

Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 17, 2016 1:51 PM CST
At least one picture matched a plant Hilarious! In my first post at the bottom of the second link is an e-mail address for the site. Perhaps you could send them a copy of the picture and location and they may be able to help you ID it. Thumbs up
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 17, 2016 2:07 PM CST
Btw, image googling this one, I see a couple of very similar photos/ leaves on Pinterest, unfortunately it won't let me look at it, since I don't have an account with them. But it sure looks like it!

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