Plant ID forum: Please ID: Strange Flowring tree and pretty vine

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notagardneryet
Mar 1, 2016 10:27 PM CST
Hello there!
I recently was doing some work in our rented backyard and I just really want to know what this flowring tree thing is, and also a pretty vine that I found. I have looked intensely online and in my books and I have no idea what these two are! Monterey, CA zone 9.

The first one is the tree:

Here is the flowering part, pinkish purply color

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Here is the leaf, pretty big with triangle like edges

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Here is what it looks like right now, I would say it’s a flowering tree. Notice how tangly and gangly it looks. This is when it was cut back. This thing grows like a weed and it’s pretty invasive. I have 4 of these now, and they have grown extremely fast especially when it rained a lot the last month. The tree has spread, making little babies over our neighbors fence who says he has about 4 of them growing in his backyard now. This tree is located in Monterey, CA coastal climate, zone 9. I have scoured the internet looking for what it could be, and through my sunset garden books. Whatever it is, I don’t think it is favored because I can’t find it.

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Here is the next plant. Again, I tried looking on the internet for any kind of “vine” nothing looks similar to what I’ve seen and it’s not even listed as best vines in the slide shows I’ve seen

Here it is at its bloom. Very pretty.
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Here are the blooms in a row, their closed up and I think they open when they are ready, although I haven’t really been studying them because I recently found them while the flower tree was cut back.

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And here is the vine, it’s pretty long, and it’s got these really cute curly cues.

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This vine actually was uncovered from cutting back the flowering tree. If you look in the pictures where the bulbs are, the vine is getting tangled up in it. This vine is coming over another neighbors fence and is growing really long. I like it and want to know what it is.

Thank you!


















Name: James
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JamesAcclaims
Mar 1, 2016 11:01 PM CST
I do not know about the tree. The vine's blooms and leaf shape look to me like a Passiflora manicata 'Red'--a variety of red passion flower.
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 1, 2016 11:05 PM CST
Your vine might be this.. Welcome!
Hamilton Square Garden, Historic City Cemetery, Sacramento California.
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Mar 1, 2016 11:18 PM CST
The tree/shrub appears to be a form of Lavatera, some of which are native to California. One low-growing species of Lavatera is a very common weed, others, mostly the larger species, have been selected as horticultural subjects.
Name: Ken
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CaliFlowers
Mar 1, 2016 11:20 PM CST
The Passiflora might be P. jamesonii, but that's just a guess. It's been a while since I've seen it.
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 2, 2016 12:02 AM CST
Have a look at this one.
Hamilton Square Garden, Historic City Cemetery, Sacramento California.

notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 12:26 AM CST
Thank you for your replies! I think the vine just might be the passiflora variety of some kind, thanks James, that red variety looks similair its more pink in person tho!

and the tree...Hamilton-YES that's it!!

Lavatera was previously known, now classified as Malva (I just searched online)Thanks Califlowers! I think it has some weed specie in it, cause these things are beasts! Good to know what it is :)

thanks everyone! I think we solved this mystery! You guys are goood!
Name: James
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JamesAcclaims
Mar 2, 2016 6:21 AM CST
Hurray!

Welcome! to ATP!

Sorry if the coloring in your pic is pink-ish and I couldn't tell! I happen to have a red-green color deficiency. Lol
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froggardener
Mar 2, 2016 11:46 AM CST
I agree with P. jamesonii, coral seas
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plantladylin
Mar 2, 2016 12:48 PM CST
notagardeneryet, Welcome to All Things Plants from me too!

For the two plants mentioned as possibilities, here are links to the database where you can view photos for comparison:
Island Mallow (Malva assurgentiflora)
Pink Passionflower Vine (Passiflora jamesonii 'Coral Seas')
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notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 5:35 PM CST
JamesAcclaims said: Hurray!

Welcome! to ATP!

Sorry if the coloring in your pic is pink-ish and I couldn't tell! I happy to have a red-green color deficiency. Lol


All good Smiling I think its my camera! and Thanks for the welcome!

notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 5:36 PM CST
[quote="plantladylin"]notagardeneryet, Welcome to All Things Plants from me too!

For the two plants mentioned as possibilities, here are links to the database where you can view photos for comparison:
Island Mallow (Malva assurgentiflora)
Pink Passionflower Vine (Passiflora jamesonii 'Coral Seas')

Thank you for the links! I will check them out, and thanks for the welcome. Everyone is so friendly here! It's refreshing :)

notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 6:07 PM CST
Also, does anyone know if the passiflora is easy to grow from cuttings? I can imagine they could probably root in water, which is something I'd like to also do with a honeysuckle. Also, would I need a rooting hormone? Several sites suggest it. Or I might be able to skip the hormone if its just growing in the water? Thanks!
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froggardener
Mar 2, 2016 6:32 PM CST
Passion vines are my absolute favorite and I have tried and tried to get them to root in water. I haven't had luck that way, not to say you wouldn't
I have a piece of bamboo about a quarter inch diameter, I use for making a hole in the soil for cuttings
I clip a piece , taking the leaves off , make a hole , water
I have 98 to 99% rate of it rooting
For whatever reason years ago, I tried with rooting hormone but it didn't work with my passies
Works with everything else I have tried but again, not to say it wouldn't work for you
Good luck Smiling

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notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 7:15 PM CST
Jolana said:Passion vines are my absolute favorite and I have tried and tried to get them to root in water. I haven't had luck that way, not to say you wouldn't
I have a piece of bamboo about a quarter inch diameter, I use for making a hole in the soil for cuttings
I clip a piece , taking the leaves off , make a hole , water
I have 98 to 99% rate of it rooting
For whatever reason years ago, I tried with rooting hormone but it didn't work with my passies
Works with everything else I have tried but again, not to say it wouldn't work for you
Good luck Smiling

And welcome!!


Thank you! I will try it both ways lol. What soil would you recommend? I currently have some seed starter on hand, cause the plans soon are a veggie garden (very ambitious for me), but if it requires something else, I will go out and get it. I love this flower and I want it for myself haha.
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greene
Mar 2, 2016 7:31 PM CST
Welcome! Welcome to ATP.
I use the Forsyth Pot method (sometimes spelled Forsythe) to root most things and have good success. It may not work for every plant but it costs almost nothing to try. I use the rooting hormone to up the odds of success but it is not always needed.

Good luck and I hope you have success. Thumbs up
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froggardener
Mar 2, 2016 7:39 PM CST
Any good potting soil, there is a brand that I get at the nursery section at our supermarket. My plants seem to love it and it doesn't have a lot of bark/mulch pieces in it
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notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 8:12 PM CST
greene said: Welcome! Welcome to ATP.
I use the Forsyth Pot method (sometimes spelled Forsythe) to root most things and have good success. It may not work for every plant but it costs almost nothing to try. I use the rooting hormone to up the odds of success but it is not always needed.

Good luck and I hope you have success. Thumbs up


Interesting...never heard of this method. Seems fancy tho. I do have a terracotta pot lying around, I might just try it. Thanks!

notagardneryet
Mar 2, 2016 8:13 PM CST
Jolana said:Any good potting soil, there is a brand that I get at the nursery section at our supermarket. My plants seem to love it and it doesn't have a lot of bark/mulch pieces in it


Thanks will do!

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