Daylilies forum: spraying for deer

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Frillylily
Mar 9, 2016 9:45 AM CST
So I have a recipe courtesy of a fellow ATP member to make some stinky brew containing hot peppers, garlic, dishsoap, milk, eggs, and oil. I read up on liquid fence, which is quite pricey if you are using very much of it, and I have read that this home made recipe will work just as well for far less money. I am wondering if anyone here has had experience spraying it directly on the daylily foliage/buds and if you foresee any problems with doing so. It may be repelling deer, but will it attract other animals? I almost wondered if the egg part would attract rats? I am spraying this stuff on everything in my yard as soon as it stops raining here. I also bought some wireless deer fence stakes and I am going to put those out. well someone on another post was asking about foliar feeding for ?roses? I can't remember now, so that got me wondering if spraying directly on the daylily foliage will do anything to them?
I have read that the egg part actually dries kind of hard like and helps it to last a long time and a few places I read that it even sticks after an average rain. Of course if it rains really hard it probably washes off then.
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floota
Mar 9, 2016 10:38 AM CST
I have made homemade concoctions using all ingredients you mentioned and none ever attracted other wildlife. The only product I ever used that DID attract unwelcome wildlife was fish emulsion, which is used in making the Hooker solution. Whew. That stuff smelled NASTY, and I quit using it after finding it attracted skunks. The skunks proceeded to dig in/ around garden areas looking for fish. Sad to say, none of these homemade concoctions worked very well or very long for me, which is why my garden now has an 8' deer fence. If I had all the $$$ spent over a 15 year period fighting the deer, it probably would have paid for at least half of the fence!!
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Frillylily
Mar 9, 2016 10:49 AM CST
well I priced some fencing and at the time I cannot afford it but I do hope to one day put some up. Glad to know about the fish though, we do have skunks and opossums around here.
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mom2cjemma
Mar 13, 2016 5:54 PM CST
I have had some luck with Milorganite. I just used up what I had left from last year on my garden out front where they tend to like to chomp off the tender new foliage. I also plant a lot of daffodils among my daylilies and that tends to keep the deer away too.
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GaNinFl
Mar 14, 2016 1:03 PM CST
As crazy as it sounds I've been thinking that maybe a predator scent or urine might do the trick... some of these are a bit pricey too but a lot less than having a fence installed.

I've been looking at some of these recently on googles search engine and you can find a cotton type wicking system and scents a plenty. I imagine you might have to freshen the wick after a good rain but a drop or two of this stuff on each wick can last a good week. I've used other scents while whitetail hunting using these wicking systems to attract or masking my human scent. I imagine that the urine scent of a predator might work at keeping them at bay. Shrug!
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mom2cjemma
Mar 15, 2016 6:52 PM CST
That reminds me, my brother in law swears by Bobbex Deer Repellent. Says it is pricey but it works. I believe it is bob cat pee or something like that.
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sooby
Mar 15, 2016 7:43 PM CST
Bobbex works very well here too. Has lots of things in it but no bobcat or other pee.
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Frillylily
Mar 15, 2016 8:47 PM CST
I will not ever purchase anything with animal urine in it because I understand via PETA that many of the animals live in filthy deplorable conditions, in tiny cages stacked on eachother. The animals are with held from water so that the urine is more concentrated. So on and so forth. Just not a practice I want to support. I suppose it's true, I'm sure the bottom dollar is ... well, the dollar, and not the animals well being particularly. So that is why I shy away from animal products if I can.



Now throwing grenades at the deer in my yard... THAT is another matter................ Hilarious!
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sooby
Mar 16, 2016 5:29 AM CST
I don't have a bottle of Bobbex handy as there's nothing growing yet for deer to eat, but from the Bobbex Canada website the active repellent ingredients are eggs, capsaicin, wintergreen oil, garlic oil, fish oil, castor oil, fish meal and meat meal.

http://www.bobbexcanada.ca/faq



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GaNinFl
Mar 17, 2016 5:30 AM CST
@Frillylily I certainly never would condone that treatment of any animal and despise the very idea of a caged animal. Nor do I necessarily condone all the practices of a organization like peta... I guess its a mater of what you choose to believe on the internet. Apologies if I've offended anyone.

Just for information and certainly wouldn't try pushing any product on you or anyone, merely a suggestion is that there are synthetic products on the market. Again, I've pondered the idea of using these products. So far, the only critters that have nibbled on any of my plants are the bunnies. So far the Milorganite is keeping them at bay.

Hand grenades you say... Rolling on the floor laughing
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mom2cjemma
Mar 17, 2016 7:58 AM CST
Well good to know that there are no animal urine in it. I tip my hat to you.

I do know that my BIL was very happy with the product and maybe it mimmicks the smell of bobcat urine???? No idea, never bought it because it is pricey. Angry
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sooby
Mar 17, 2016 8:30 AM CST
Indeed, Bobbex does work here. You don't need to spray the whole daylily either (here anyway) just the developing buds every week or two. Same with roses. Hostas take more because the deer eat the leaves on those as well as the flower buds. The Bobbex we get is a concentrate, diluted 5 to 1 with water. It's either that or no flowers on roses, daylilies, sometimes sedums, and no flowers or leaves on hosta.

I've never smelled bobcat urine but unless that smells like Mexican food that's gone off, I would say it doesn't smell like that Hilarious!
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djinnevada
Mar 17, 2016 10:21 AM CST
Probably not a whole lot of people have Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Frillylily
Mar 17, 2016 11:22 AM CST
@GaNinFl

I was just pointing out in my post how the urine is oftentimes had for those who may have not put alot of thought into that. I wasn't meaning anything personal directed toward anyone here. Smiling
I guess I was naive and assumed the animals are treated 'nice'. I think alot of people use animal products and really have no clue how the animals are raised/treated, and would make different choices maybe if they realized. I know some of the things PETA does are kind of nuts, on the other hand, I have watched some of their videos and I have to say there is no denying that animals are oftentimes treated in horrific manners. I just think it is important to make informed choices and to consider alternatives any time I can. I don't think it is wrong to kill an animal or to eat meat. But I think animals should be treated right between there and my table. As for deer spray, I would just try alternative sprays before I used something with animal urine, unless I knew the animals were treated right. Sad but true that animals are only thought of in dollar signs to many pocket lining businesses. I have heard advice both ways using the Milorganite, some swear it keeps critters out and other say it made no difference. Shrug! I know some people use alfalfa pellets in their garden, or corn gluten products which I would think would attract deer like crazy Confused
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petruske
Mar 17, 2016 11:56 AM CST
Milorganite works well for me. And it is beneficial to feed the plants. Needs to be reapplied. However, Milorganite alone doesn't do it for me. Last year I put up metal posts with pie tins tied to them (the cheap ones that you get from frozen pies). They fly in the wind and bang on the posts. Little unsightly, quite noisy at times AND the deer do get used to them eventually. I think whatever is used, it needs to be changed up throughout the year. The deer are smart and can decide when something really isn't a threat to them after all.
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taylordaylily
Mar 17, 2016 12:05 PM CST
In the Spring, I hang suet baskets filled with dog hair. It gives birds nesting material. It has deterred the deer from the area's the baskets are hanging. It's not the prettiest garden decor but it's functional. It's important to make sure the donating dog has not been bathed in chemicals that might harm birds. It's fun to watch the birds fly off with faces full of dog hair. Be prepared the baskets empty fast during nest building time.
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Frillylily
Mar 17, 2016 12:09 PM CST
so if one doesn't have dogs they could try putting out cat hair... I wonder if Tweety would use Sylvester's hair in a nest Hilarious!
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Emquinn
Mar 17, 2016 1:03 PM CST
We have deer that sleep in our and our neighbors yard. Milorgonite works well as well as my husband's hair. He started shaving his head several years ago and we save the clippings to be spread in the garden. Sometimes we play a radio and also have motion lights. So far I have been lucky and not lost any flowers.
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GaNinFl
Mar 17, 2016 1:28 PM CST
Those videos are terrible and the very thought of any animal being treated that way makes me cringe. My DW and I would even go so far as saving bees from the pool. Not just honey bees but even the wasp and such. Whistling

Knocking on my noggin here, but so far no deer. Last year during my annual daylily shopping spree with my mother, I saw just how destructive those pesky whitetail can be to a garden. They had taken all the buds from a 100' x 6' row of daylily's. And, while we were walking around in the garden drooling over some of the blooms they had yet to eat, one snorted. it seems we had interrupted its lunch plans...

Good luck with your deterrent of those hungry critters...

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taylordaylily
Mar 17, 2016 1:54 PM CST
Birds would probably use car hair too. Hilarious! We have used human hair also, the birds snatch it up just as fast.
I agree with Sue, you have to have many tricks up your sleeve and mix them up.

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