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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Apr 16, 2016 2:13 PM CST
Thanks Sage, and mom gave me a ripped bag of free rose fertilizer that raked of everything gross on Earth....
Brenden
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
Apr 16, 2016 3:49 PM CST
If it smells foul, it's probably pretty good for plants! Hilarious!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Apr 16, 2016 7:04 PM CST
O man, neal, if your a dude, I'm sorry, from your pic, I thought you were a female. I never clicked it up close. Sorry. I didn't know the name was o top right either
Brenden
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
Apr 16, 2016 7:52 PM CST
No problem Hilarious!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Sharlene
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
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sunnyvalley
Apr 16, 2016 11:34 PM CST
Brenden, looks like you have done everything possible to give your roses a good start. Looking forward to seeing pictures of them blooming.
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Apr 17, 2016 5:55 AM CST
I I hope they will let's assume that they did back to the graft.....Huey, if that... will they bloom guaranteed?
Brenden
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Apr 20, 2016 7:21 PM CST
Well first picture is of freeeeee "Honor" variety rose bush from EdmundsRoses.com, because they informed me 2 weeks later that my baccara was unavailable, so sent this.

Second is of wild rose bush, gunna be neat to see it. Knowing has been there for yeaaaars with no one's knowledge
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Brenden
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Apr 27, 2016 5:19 PM CST
Updated video regarding my attempt at rose bushes from bouquet cuttings, I'd love for your feedback. https://youtu.be/pFyntOnTVKA
Brenden
Name: Sharlene
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
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sunnyvalley
Apr 28, 2016 4:54 AM CST
Looking good Brenden but at two weeks I think the growth could still be from the reserves in the canes. On the positive side you don't have any black stems so that's good.
If I were you I would give them another week or so and then start acclimatising them by gradually removing the cover a little longer every day (if weather permits)
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
May 9, 2016 2:48 PM CST
Well, this is regarding my bouquet cuttings. I would really appreciate more than one opinion....

I'll have a video update tomorrow, and on the 13th, it will be exactly a month ago I started them... so far literally 90% have shown NO signs of dying, and most STILL HAVE NEW growth erupting. So, without the pictures updated yet, does anyone have any further advice?
Brenden
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
May 9, 2016 5:59 PM CST
I can't watch your video, but your report of new growth sounds good!
Porkpal
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
May 9, 2016 6:21 PM CST
Well, no video now... I just got anxious and pulled 4 up. 3 were blackening ends....and 5 he 4th was still pink from the rooting hormone in it. NONE shown signs of rooting..... Yet all 4 are STILL GROWING AND EXPANDING LEAVES. now, I know the comment regarding the rose STILL having enough energy to fulfill what it could, then die. My Counter-Arguement is that like I said, we're coming up on an entire month after beginning. Still running on reserves? Or do I still have hope?
Brenden
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
May 9, 2016 8:07 PM CST
Don't give up!
Porkpal
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
May 12, 2016 9:47 AM CST
sunnyvalley said:Brenden - internet hug - it's my first and I gladly accept! Now regarding your questions .....

There is so much information in the internet published by people with far more experience than I. Two people that I would like to mention and from whom you can really learn a lot are:

George Mander: My rooting method is basically based his experiences (with a few changes). Here is a link to his method: http://www.helpmefind.com/gard...

and

Kim Rupert promotes the ‘Burrito Method’ and has a lot of other great info on his blog: http://pushingtheroseenvelope....

Basically, it is all trial and error and you have to find out what works best for you. In answer to your questions, my experience on:

Rooting hormone: I experimented about three years ago and stuck three cuttings each of the same rose, one lot with Clonex gel, one lot with Rhizopon rooting powder and one lot with nothing. I tried this with about 6 different rose and IMO there was no noticeable advantage to using a rooting hormone as I had about the results with the control group.

Water: I just use tap water. PH – no idea!

Humidity and rot: I dip my cuttings from the bush or the entire florist rose in a 10% bleach solution before I make the individual cuttings. I don’t know if it is my imagination but I think this helps and I had next to no rot. I also microwave the coir before I mix it with the perlite (50/50). I don’t have any ventilation in the propagator but the main thing to watch out for is the moisture of the rooting medium! If it is too wet you are going to have rot no matter how sterile things are.

Light and temperature: I have two Lightwave T5 LW 24-HO (4 tube 96 w) and set the heating matt in the propagator to 22C.

I would just like to mention that rooting florist roses is more difficult than rooting cuttings from your own garden. I don’t know if it is because the florist roses are somehow chemically treated to extend life or if it is due to freshness – the time between harvesting the rose and sticking the cutting. Although there are some garden roses that prove difficult as well, my success rate with them is much higher - cuttings harvested and stuck on the same day.

Budding (grafting) vs Rooting: First, when you root a cutting you land up with an own-root rose. Rooting is more time intensive and you need more material as each cutting has to have at least four bud eyes. If you used the same cutting for budding you will land up with four plants opposed to the one from the cutting.

Budding method: I prefer to T-bud however Chip-budding is an option that many favour. There is a season for T-budding as the rootstock has to be actively growing and the bark must slip whereas chip-budding, according to reports, can be done at any time of the year because the bark doesn’t need to slip. Personally, I haven’t tried any type of budding out of season. There are lots of videos on how to actually bud on the internet. The position of the bud depends on the type of rose you want. For a standard rose, you need a long rootstock cane and you bud at the desired height. For a bush rose you have to bud on the neck of the rootstock, that is to say below the points of growth, to avoid suckering.

This is the first time that I have ever written so much in a forum post. I hope sharing my experiences helps you find the best method best suited to your situation.

@gemini_sage
Neal:
I haven’t tried growing rootstock from seed but previously used my own rooted stock cuttings. I have now found a grower who supplies bare root Rosa Canina ‘Pfänder’ rootstock which makes life much easier. ‘Pfänder’ is more widely used for standard roses here in Europe, less for bush roses - Laxa and Inermis but also Multi Flora are preferred. I think it is best to use the rootstock best suited to your area. If you have access to Multi Flora seeds that must mean you have it growing in your garden. Have you considered air-layering? Works pretty well and you can bud and root in the same year.

Curious, when you said rooting own root roses, why does it require 4 eyes at least?



Brenden
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
May 12, 2016 9:56 AM CST
Oh yeah, multifloras grow too well here- they've long been considered an exotic invasive here. I don't know why I was thinking seedlings would work best for root stock, I can easily root lots of cuttings Thumbs up . Not sure if your question about rooting own root plants is for me, not sure what the 4 eyes would be about...?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
May 12, 2016 11:55 AM CST
Budding (grafting) vs Rooting: First, when you root a cutting you land up with an own-root rose. Rooting is more time intensive and you need more material as each cutting has to have at least four bud eyes. If you used the same cutting for budding you will land up with four plants opposed to the one from the cutting.

that statement
Brenden
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
May 12, 2016 12:22 PM CST
I must have had a couple of glasses of wine, I have no recollection of saying that or any idea what I would have been talking about Rolling on the floor laughing
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
May 12, 2016 2:19 PM CST
Haha oh sage.. not you. It was sunnyvalley.
Brenden
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
May 12, 2016 7:10 PM CST
Oh good, I really thought I was losing it Hilarious!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
May 12, 2016 8:42 PM CST
Well Neal, it was for good cause. I had to look up what you supposedly were talking about, and ended up finding some really good instructions on budding. This page:
http://paulbardenroses.com/pro...
The article by Malcolm Manners on grafting techniques is very thorough.
Sunnyvalley, thanks for posting all the info!
Good question, Brenden!

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