Plant Database forum: Are these two plant database entries two different species or are they the same?

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Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Apr 27, 2016 4:34 PM CST
Berlandiera betonicifolia
Berlandiera texana
I seem to have my photos on both entries, but they're all the same species in my yard. Some sites have B. texana as a synonym of B. betonicifolia. Could you please check this?
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Apr 27, 2016 4:42 PM CST
Apparently it is a toss up at the moment Linda. Catalog of Life list both name as provisionally accepted. B. betonicifolia was listed as B. texana var. betonicifolia. Now it is provisionally listed as a separate species.
wildflowersoftexas.com
texasnatureonline.com


Name: Rob Duval
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robertduval14
Apr 27, 2016 4:46 PM CST

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Catalog of Life shows both as provisionally accepted names. So, currently, both plants exist separate of each other. As far as which one you actually have, I am unsure. Perhaps one of our sleuths in the plant id forum can help shed some light on the subject.
Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Apr 27, 2016 6:52 PM CST
I always thought I had B. texana, but I may have been confused once and put a couple of pics under the other name.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
Apr 27, 2016 7:00 PM CST
Flora of North America still shows Berlandiera betonicifolia as Berlandiera X betonicifolia ( one of it's synonyms) because it was/is thought to be a hybrid of B. texana and B. pumila.

If anyone feels like wading through scientific jargon here is a description of the two, scroll down to the bottom. You can click on the individual names to see a more in depth description.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=1...
wildflowersoftexas.com
texasnatureonline.com


Name: Rob Duval
Mason, New Hampshire (Zone 5b)
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robertduval14
Apr 27, 2016 7:13 PM CST

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LindaTX8 said:I always thought I had B. texana, but I may have been confused once and put a couple of pics under the other name.



No reason to think you are wrong about it's ID. I can move the photos and comment you posted over to B. texana if you like. (I'm assuming the comment was meant for B texana as well?)

Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Apr 27, 2016 7:30 PM CST
Okay, according to the description, then my plants are B. texana, definitely. The pics under B. betonicifolia should be moved.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
Name: Rob Duval
Mason, New Hampshire (Zone 5b)
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robertduval14
Apr 27, 2016 7:32 PM CST

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LindaTX8 said:Okay, according to the description, then my plants are B. texana, definitely. The pics under B. betonicifolia should be moved.


done. Thumbs up

Name: Linda
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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LindaTX8
Apr 27, 2016 8:05 PM CST
Thank you, Rob! Thank You!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad

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