Roses forum: Need companion rose ideas

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Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
May 1, 2016 2:39 PM CST
I'm wanting to flank my Coppertina Ninebark with a rose on either side. I can't decide what I want other than that the roses need to compliment the ninebark and grow at least 5-6 feet tall so that they reach a height that we don't see the neighbors. Oh and reblooming, a decent amount of fragrance (not overpowering but enough you don't have to bury your nose in it) and prefer own root. I have enough Dr. Huey around here and don't want more. Hilarious!

I've been looking at the buff and orange tones but I can't make up my mind. Hilarious!

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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
May 1, 2016 3:13 PM CST
oh yes! I love ninebark, and add more of them every year. I have Anne Henderson, Cinco de Mayo, Hot Cocoa, Dark Night, Black Baccara, Fragrant Cloud and Coral Drifts in my ninebark bed. Around the edges I have various tall dark sedums, and on the other end is a smoke tree, some Black Diamond crape myrtles, orange rocket barberry, and a purple leafed plum. There's a Royal Raindrops crabapple on one side, and a few dark leafed burgundy colored hardy hibiscus. One year I added dark grasses and deep red snapdragons. For color in spring, I have brown, orange and rust colored iris. I know you just asked for a couple of roses, but in your photo it looks like you have room for lots more!
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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
May 1, 2016 3:26 PM CST
That's my neighbor's place behind the ninebark and the yard in front of the bush is off limits for planting. Hilarious! My dad does all the mowing and won't allow me to take anymore yard space other than spots already being used or hard to mow. The flower bed you see to the left behind is also my neighbor's. We don't get along with them very well and they think at times we're spying on them because our house backs up to the line and our kitchen looks their way. They planted Roses of Sharon on that side of the line and I'm doing the ninebark, roses and hydrangeas on this side.

I do have stuff that's just out of shot there but I want to fill that space there. I know it will get to about 6 feet tall and wide and thought it would be enough when I bought it about 3 years ago. But now I think I really want it filled with roses on the other side and make it fuller. On the other side of the pole I have 2 Incrediball hydrangeas and plan on adding at least one or 2 more there.

We are on about an acre here and I have plants everywhere. I also have what I think is Scentimental rose and 2 OSO Easy Paprikas and a Stars and Stripes miniature rose. There is also Climbing Penny Lane rose in my yard. Then there's the Dr. Huey rootstock that will get hit with Tordon as soon as we replenish our supply. I can't kill it for anything and have 3 that need to go and be replaced eventually with own root somethings.
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
May 1, 2016 3:55 PM CST
That's funny. I have 3 huge Hueys that I have killed over and over and they keep coming back. They are about to bloom, and I can't bring myself to cut them out when they are blooming. They are taking up valuable space, though, so this year I may bring out the Tordon.
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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
May 1, 2016 4:02 PM CST
If it was pretty I would keep it but it's flat out ugly. I cringe when it blooms. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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May 5, 2016 1:01 AM CST

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Here's a shot I took this evening of my Ninebark Coppertina and roses in front and beside it.
To the left it the very tall upright Rose (Rosa 'Irish Hope'), center is Rose (Rosa 'Jeri Jennings') and the dark one is Rose (Rosa 'Tradescant').
One I would recommend also is Rose (Rosa 'Buff Beauty'). A very large and tall one is Rose (Rosa 'Caramella') I didn't prune mine as drastic as I usually do and it's probably 7+ ft tall.
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May 5, 2016 7:07 AM CST
That is a very harmonious and appealing combination of plants!
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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
May 5, 2016 11:16 AM CST
I agree!! I was hoping to get a buff beauty but it's sold out everywhere I looked so I ended up with Graham Thomas. I can always move it if I don't like it in this spot. Wrong time of year to get what I really want but I only decided recently I wanted roses in that spot. Hilarious!
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
May 5, 2016 11:55 AM CST
Cindi and Amanda ... the good Doctor was used as rootstock for a very good reason. It is excellent at growing roots !

Think of it as the bindweed of roses. It will grow new roots at every node. No, I am not kidding.

As much as I truly hate to use any kind of weed killer, I will use it for poison oak and Dr. H as needed ... oh, and for blackberries that are ladder fuels for wild fires which is simply due diligence in my part of the country. Some people rent goats to clear their blackberries, but with mountain lions around, I'd rather not rent bait.

To kill Dr. H, you need a container that you can stick several canes of Dr. H into during the active growth period of the plant in spring or during the fall season when the plant is preparing to go dormant. Fall is the best time because the plant pulls the sugars and saps from the top growth down to the roots as it prepares to go dormant. YES ! The plant does the work of placing the toxin where it will do the work needed to kill the plant.

You want to make sure the container is properly fenced so that no other critters or children can have access to the container. It's temporary ...

For a well established root system, I suggest you do the application both in spring and in fall.

If you get intense summer heat like I do, you can even cover the plant with black plastic bags weighted down with rocks and cook it.

I am usually treating poison oak with this method because that stuff can put me in the hospital, so drastic methods are required, but it will also work with Dr. H.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 11, 2017 10:19 AM CST
I really like Suzanne's list of roses for this spot. And I, too, (a year later) have been finding Buff Beauty to be widely out of stock. I recently got one from Rogue Valley Roses, but it was not so well developed as nearly all the other roses in that order. My own Caramella is in its fifth year and is maybe six feet wide, but it is not much over four feet tall; so it's possible that in a cooler climate one could get away with less severe pruning.

I keep finding that yellows are tricky. There can be a world of difference between a bright yellow and a pink-tinged one. I'm thinking soft colors will work best here, but ones that have a distinct orange tinge. Or yellow with pink, maybe.

I think Lady of Shallott might work.

I like Cindi's suggestions, especially Anne Henderson. It made me wonder if 'coffee colored' roses might work. The first one that came to mind was Brown Velvet, although in (a pot in) my garden the blooms are a rather garish bright orange. It's a color that still might work. I've noticed that the hue of my Cornelia is almost a perfect match for the hue of my Brown Velvet. I've been tempted to plant them together, but did not know how to unify the look. I think ninebark Coppertina would be perfect. Other roses that come to mind in this hue space: Belle Epoque, Honey Dijon, Hot Cocoa (I could not get it to grow here...) or Coffee Bean. Maybe Colorific. Why do I keep wondering if Hot Tamale would fit in here?

I'm still not smart enough to figure out how to place the lighter colored coffee roses like Julia's Rose. My tastes say I wouldn't like such a rose with Coppertina ninebark. But if I had deciced to grow the rose, I'd be hard pressed to find a better backdrop.
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Sep 11, 2017 11:01 AM CST
Awww Julia's Rose.....I've been searching for that one for years. I've saved a spot for it in my ninebark bed. The Acropolis I just ordered from Palatine will look good witu the ninebark, I think. Color Magic would work well with those shades of brown and orange.
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Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
Sep 11, 2017 6:45 PM CST
I have Sir Thomas Lipton on one side of my Coppertina and Graham Thomas on the other side of it. STL is taking off like a weed and GT is healthy but not growing fast. When that row gets filled in it's going to be pretty bright. Hilarious! It starts with Sir, then Coppertina, Graham Thomas, ‎Souvenir de Baden-Baden, 2 Incrediball Hydrangeas, Brothers Grimm, and finally Betty Boop. I can't wait until it fills in and blocks my neighbors there while giving me color.
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MargieNY
Sep 11, 2017 9:36 PM CST
Amanda, do you like Westerland? I have an own root that grew very quickly.
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MargieNY
Sep 11, 2017 9:54 PM CST
buff beauty

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Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
Sep 12, 2017 6:31 AM CST
I love Westerland!! I actually had it planted down in the bottom part of the yard with Penny Lane and it died while Penny Lane lived. Never got around to replacing it.

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