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Sep 21, 2011 6:08 PM CST
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That mystery VID rose is blooming again and I thought I'd try for an identification again.

This was posted in Cubits some time ago and no one was able to figure it out then, but we have some new people playing this game now, so seems like it's worth a shot.

Here's what I know about the rose: It's a hybrid tea I bought at Vintage for a song because they didn't know what it was. It had been sent to Sacramento for virus indexing with a lot of other roses, and it had no label when it returned. Gregg seemed to recall that it was called something like Glamour Girl or Bathing Beauty or some other name that evoked cheesecake pictures of movie stars in bathing suits.

I call it Mystery VID because all I know about it is that it was virus indexed.

Thumb of 2011-09-22/zuzu/dacbe5

Here are some other photos of it from past years:

Thumb of 2011-09-22/zuzu/6f8c51

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Thumb of 2011-09-22/zuzu/446405
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Sep 23, 2011 1:29 PM CST
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Whatever it is, it sure is pretty!!
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Sep 23, 2011 1:35 PM CST
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bleh

You know that feeling when you've seen something, like de ja vu, but you just CAN'T remember when/where? BLEH!!!!

I've seen this rose. I don't know if it was in one of my books or in personl.

I'll wrack my pathetic peabrain. Sad
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Sep 23, 2011 4:47 PM CST
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Look at this one. It has nothing to do with bathing beauties, but some of the photos resemble some of mine.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Sep 23, 2011 7:41 PM CST
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I think yours has richer deeper colors.
There are several that have this type of coloring, having it come from Vintage makes it harder because they do also carry some obscure ones.
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Sep 23, 2011 8:06 PM CST
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Really, Sue? I wasn't sure because the colors in HMF look more intense to me than the ones on my rose.

But this is just the kind of rose Vintage would be interested in carrying because it's almost impossible to find, and my mystery rose probably wouldn't be listed on their site. They send new plants to Sacramento for virus indexing and then use the ones that pass the test as mother roses for propagation. After selling me the proposed mother plant, they wouldn't be able to propagate it and offer it for sale.

This Pink Lemonade really appeals to me. I wonder if K&M are still selling it. In fact, I wonder if they're still in business. I haven't ordered anything from them for a few years.
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Sep 23, 2011 8:14 PM CST
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Maybe richer deeper is not the right words Whistling I mean yours has more of a creamy peachy centers and that Pink Lemonade seems to have more cream centers with rosy edges & lots of yellow. Both gorgeous and appealing!
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Sep 23, 2011 8:22 PM CST
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Oh, yes. I see what you mean. Now I really want Pink Lemonade, though.
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Sep 23, 2011 8:38 PM CST
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Yep, it's a beauty!
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Sep 23, 2011 8:53 PM CST
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I still think these two are almost identical. I can't copy the one from HMF because the right click doesn't work.

Here's my photo:

Thumb of 2011-09-24/zuzu/6d2f1b

Here's the one in HMF

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Sep 23, 2011 8:56 PM CST
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I don't see the rouge edges on yours though,the centers of your image it looks more solid apricot.
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Sep 23, 2011 9:17 PM CST
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I agree with Sue. Of course the lighting is different, but while the Pink Lemonade looks clearly pink and yellow to me, your rose seems more of a creamy peach and pink without the almost translucent yellow center. How do the leaves compare?
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Sep 23, 2011 9:33 PM CST
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When I get hone, I'll screenshot the one from hmf & see if the coloring matches. But realize that a lot depends on the camera, time of day, crappy photography (oh, that's only in my case), time of day, etc.

But I know I've seen that rose!!!!
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Sep 23, 2011 10:08 PM CST
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Okay, I see what Sue's talking about now. The other rose actually has the cherry-red in a well-defined band on the edge, whereas on mine the colors just fade into each other.

And you're right too, Porkpal, mine doesn't appear to have any yellow. I thought it was the addition of sunlight that made his rose look yellow, but mine probably wouldn't do that even if the sun were shining through it.
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Sep 24, 2011 8:30 AM CST
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(I like yours better.)
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Sep 24, 2011 11:49 AM CST
Name: Toni
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Ok, here's Zuzu's mystery & Pink Lemonade side by side

Thumb of 2011-09-24/Skiekitty/80ca86 Thumb of 2011-09-24/Skiekitty/554fac

Personally, they're two totally different roses, even w/the backlight on PL. The mystery rose has more of a tannish base while PL has more of a coral base. I don't seem them as the same at all, but I'm so far from being an expert it's not even close to being funny. To me, looks more like Distant Drums.

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Sep 24, 2011 1:21 PM CST
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Thanks, Toni. It does help to see them side by side.

The Distant Drums comparison doesn't work for me. I have three Distant Drums bushes and they don't remind me of Mystery VID at all. Distant Drums has beige and grayish-mauve tones that are absent in Mystery VID. The blooms are more cupped and the petals are more pointed.

Distant Drums pics:

Thumb of 2011-09-24/zuzu/7e155b

Thumb of 2011-09-24/zuzu/f57f32
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Sep 24, 2011 1:52 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Ah, yes. The petals fade from dark to light, inside to outside on Distant Drums and just the opposite on the unknown beauty.
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Sep 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST
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The colors remind me of Sweet Revenge Rose (Rosa 'Sweet Revenge') except that's a small bloom and yours a hybrid tea.
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Sep 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST
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Similar colors, I agree.
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