Roses forum: First try at propagating cuttings

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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 8, 2016 2:39 AM CST
Hi everyone! I'm opening a new thread for my questions (some talking was made on the "propagating roses from leaves" thread.On may 27 I planted some cuttings I made from florist roses (they were a gift).
I put them in the ground in the garden, and put cut plastic bottles on them. You can see how they are in the pictures.

It seems they are growing
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But how can I be sure they are rooting? Is it too early to suppose they rooted? What I'm going to do, should I leave the bottles on them? For how long? What's the correct way for proceeding? It's my very first experience in this.
Many thanks!
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 14, 2016 10:16 AM CST
Babies are still putting new leaves, a lot of growth! It surprise me!
These were the roses I took cuttings from
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Name: Sharlene
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sunnyvalley
Jun 16, 2016 7:25 AM CST
Hi Sabrina.
I normally root my florist rose cuttings indoors in transparent plastic cups so that I can see when they send out roots. As you have them in the ground you are just going to have to wait and see. I think it is a bit early to think that they have already rooted and that new growth you are seeing is probably just from the reserves in the stem. Indoors under in a controlled environment I have had florist cutting root within a month. Another thing, if they do root and start growing I don't think you should try and transplant them too early because you could damage the tender roots. Good luck!
Name: Khalid Waleed
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kbw664
Jun 16, 2016 7:50 AM CST
Sabrina, I agree with Sharlene. It is too early for these roses to develop proper roots though they might have sprouted. I would also suggest that you leave them like this for a while and only shift them when proper roots have developed. Last year I lot many cuttings when I tried to shift them with tender roots.

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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 16, 2016 8:22 AM CST
Sharlene and Khalid, many thanks for helping me!

I should have used plastic bottles for planting them. But I was so sure they'd die that I put them there. They are also really close to each other so my fear is, if they root, that I won't be able to separate them.

I will let them there with their plastic domes. At this point I really want them to survive! They were planted 20 days ago, so the month Sharlene is talking about it's almost passed. Is a month a quite sure point or not? If they are going to die, how will it happen? Will they go dry, will lose leaves.. will they yell at me Hilarious!

Many thanks!
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Khalid Waleed
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kbw664
Jun 16, 2016 9:06 AM CST
Sabrina: My suggestion would be to leave them there as they are for at least one more month. I would suggest you remove bottle from those that have sprouted and are growing leaves. Just keep watering them for the time being. I am not well aware of your climate so can't say when is the right time to shift them in pots or other places. But if they are removed before they develop healthy roots, they are likely to perish.
I planted quite a few cuttings in a bed in Feb. They sprouted by mid march and by the time they grew up into reasonable plants (for shifting), it was already hot and I couldn't shift them. So now, they are there in the same bed and I will take them out not earlier then Sep when it gets cool.
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What I did I gave the bed a 2" layer of dry leaves which were available at that time. The are keeping the bed moist and are also decomposing providing nutrition to the cuttings. I am just watering them and they are growing well, many of them have started blooming too though I am pinching the blooms.

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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 16, 2016 9:26 AM CST
Khalid, beautiful plants!

Climate it's a bit cooler than yours. We're having a very rainy june (it's not normal), strong winds and poor sun, but summer should be hot and dry.

I'm afraid they could dry out if I remove the bottles just because maybe they have no roots yet. They get sun (when the sun shines) from 3 PM to 6 PM now. I'm using a white light cover because I read they are weak now and sun could burn them.

But I'm willing to follow advices of who knows better than me! Thank You!

Forgot to say, the need to move them is because they are in a very tight space and really close to one of my daylilies, so if they grow I'm afraid roots will go everywhere!
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 16, 2016 9:47 AM CST
When I have started cuttings in bottles as you are doing, I was told to remove the bottle cap when the plants started to sprout, and remove the bottle itself when the sprouts started coming out the top. It worked well for me in our hot, humid climate.
Porkpal
Name: Khalid Waleed
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kbw664
Jun 16, 2016 10:56 AM CST
Sabrina, I don't think they will develop roots so quickly that they are all over the place. I agree with Porkpal here. If I were you, I would remover the bottles from those cuttings that have sprouted and give them some fresh air. If you keep the soil moist (not wet) than they will grow well in 3 hours sun, unless it is over 100*F. My cuttings have survived 110*F though they get 3 -4 hours sun everyday. I just keep them moist and they are doing well. But shifting the half done cuttings at this time will be quite risky in my view.

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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 16, 2016 11:28 AM CST
Thanks Porpkpal and Khalid. So, I should remove the caps or all the bottle?
Khalid, the soil gets rains so I don't have any control on how wet it can get. But it's on a spot that gets less rains because it's near the house. Is it ok?
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Khalid Waleed
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kbw664
Jun 16, 2016 12:40 PM CST
Sabrina: If the drainage is good than rain is not a problem rather it will help cuttings to grow better. But if the drainage is not good than the cuttings are likely to rot, even if they have sprouted. Keeping the sprouted cuttings inside the bottle will not help, in my view.

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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 16, 2016 2:08 PM CST
Thank you Khalid. I will uncover them. The only sunny day we expect will be tomorrow (sigh!) then some sun and some rain again.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Khalid Waleed
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kbw664
Jun 16, 2016 2:12 PM CST
cybersix said:Thank you Khalid. I will uncover them. The only sunny day we expect will be tomorrow (sigh!) then some sun and some rain again.

Good for your cutting I guess Smiling
A rose without scent is just half a rose
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 16, 2016 2:13 PM CST
Good for cuttings, but bad for daylilies! they were ready to bloom and now every bloom is a mess Sad
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 17, 2016 1:24 AM CST
So today I removed the bottles! There's a strong cold wind it's supposed to be a dry day without rains but I see many clouds running in the sky.
here they are!

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Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 17, 2016 6:39 AM CST
Keep an eye on them; the wind may dry them out.
Porkpal
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 17, 2016 7:06 AM CST
I was out for some hours and when I came back the sun was hitting them, they don't look good at all. I covered them with a white cloth then I'm gonna spray them and put bottles on again Or not, if rains come maybe it's not necessary. But the little leaves now are like wilting.
Sabrina, North Italy
My blog: http://hemerocallisblog.com
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 17, 2016 8:21 AM CST
Do put the bottles back. I think it is probably too early for them to be so exposed. If they are not in the ground, I would be inclined to move them into dappled shade until they are tougher.
Porkpal
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 17, 2016 8:37 AM CST
Bottles are already back, and the cloth shade is up. I misted them and the soil around them. Poor little things!
Sabrina, North Italy
My blog: http://hemerocallisblog.com
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
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porkpal
Jun 17, 2016 10:43 AM CST
Good move.
Porkpal

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