Past Plants of the Day forum: Daylily of the Day: Lady Elizabeth

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Name: Jon Whitinger
Jacksonville, TX (Zone 8a)
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jon
Jun 12, 2016 6:01 PM CST

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Background history:

'Lady Elizabeth' is a diploid introduced in 1948 by Gersdorff.

This plant can be found in the NGA Plant Database at:
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Robbobeli') .

Please join in, if you own this plant! We would love to know more! I award an acorn for performance information posted to this thread.



Also, please consider adding a "Local Report" to the NGA Plant Database! Thank you!

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Robbobeli')
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jun 12, 2016 6:27 PM CST
How do you read the color description in the database 'YD1: Yellow dark self'. Anyone know?
Donald
Name: Heidi
CT (Zone 5b)
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mom2cjemma
Jun 12, 2016 6:50 PM CST
This was a new to me plant(s) last summer. While they did bloom for me last year, I don't have a full report on them yet. I did get to witness their nocturnal behaviors too.

I will say that both clumps stayed green over the winter, but so did just about everything else that was in this particular garden.
Heidi
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Region: Alabama Composter Garden Photography Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Seedfork
Jun 12, 2016 7:52 PM CST
needrain,
I read that as a Dark Yellow daylily. It does not look like that to me.
Go to the below site, and read down to flower color. The AHS site does not show a picture.
http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/info.php
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jun 12, 2016 10:00 PM CST
Seedfork said:needrain,
I read that as a Dark Yellow daylily. It does not look like that to me.
Go to the below site, and read down to flower color. The AHS site does not show a picture.
]http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/info.php

Thanks for finding that link, Larry. Yes, it reads 'dark yellow self' to me. That isn't what I see in the database. On reading the color description, it seemed like it would be reading as dark yellow, but I know codes can be tricky. Now I wonder what the explanation for that color description vs that very light bloom would be? It would seem to be a discrepancy to me.
Donald
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
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sooby
Jun 13, 2016 6:09 AM CST
The white Lady Elizabeth is a patented white daylily:

http://www.americandaylily.com/product/lady-elizabeth/

The AHS registered 1948 one is supposed to be yellow:

http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=27883

Not sure what the cultivar name of the patented one is, it should be shown with the trade name. I'll look it up and post back.

Edit to add: The cultivar name of the trademarked Lady Elizabeth is 'Robbobeli' (not AHS registered) here's the patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/USPP11862

The NGA database needs to be corrected accordingly.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Region: Alabama Composter Garden Photography Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Seedfork
Jun 13, 2016 6:23 AM CST
@jon,
Check this out, Maybe the The Daylily of The Day should not feature Lady Elizabeth.

Also everyone who has photos and events posted for Lady Elizabeth may want to review their entries.
I just corrected a plant I had mislabeled, but I had no photos entered showing it, however I nearly forgot to delete all the events I had added for it, so I had to go back and delete things like when a scape was sent up and when it bloomed etc.
Edited to add:
Also check "Local Reports" that might have been added for this plant.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 13, 2016 6:27 AM CST
Seedfork said:@jon,
Check this out, Maybe the The Daylily of The Day should not feature Lady Elizabeth.


It depends whether people are interested in the newer Lady Elizabeth TM ('Robbobeli') or the AHS registered yellow 1948 'Lady Elizabeth'. I suspect probably the former.

Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Region: Alabama Composter Garden Photography Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Seedfork
Jun 13, 2016 6:35 AM CST
sooby,
you might be right about leaving it do to peoples interest. A decision for the admins., but to me leaving it adds credibility to the practice and I personally do not like.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 13, 2016 6:35 AM CST
I'm not sure how to correct this so I'm posting the question on the Plant Database forum. I suspect the rust rating relates to 'Robbobeli'. I wish people who trademark daylilies or patent them would check first that they aren't duplicating an AHS registered name Rolling my eyes.
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jun 13, 2016 6:36 AM CST
So all of the photos in the database are of an unregistered daylily patented with the name 'Robbobeli' and distributed using the name 'Lady Elizabeth' which is the legitimate name of a yellow daylily registered in 1948? Classic identity theft.

If I were growing 'Robbobeli' thinking it was named 'Lady Elizabeth', I'd want to know that. Maybe The Daylily of the Day is a good place to start.

Is there a place in the database where a plant like this could be shown with all the info? Cross referencing the names etc.? Then a search for 'Lady Elizabeth' would bring up both cultivars and a grower could determine which they had fairly easily. Making the database even more useful!
Donald
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 13, 2016 6:50 AM CST
I posted a question about procedure for this in the plant database forum - I think usually we don't include unregistered daylilies unless maybe they are very popular or widely distributed. I also mentioned the rust rating since it may relate to the wrong daylily.
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 13, 2016 9:11 PM CST
Is this daylile associated with All American Daylilies? IF so, they are notorious for slapping their own names on registered cultivars and selling them as 'theirs'. Now maybe they have the hybridizers permission to do that? I don't know, but this is most likely 'someone else' who is registered, and then renamed Lady Elizabeth for their 'trademark' to sell.
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 13, 2016 9:13 PM CST
http://www.allamericandaylilies.com/dream-souffle/

For instance, this one is actually Dublin Elaine, but is sold as 'Dream Soufflé"
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 14, 2016 5:35 AM CST
Frillylilly, the actual name of this Lady Elizabeth is 'Robbobeli', a patented name. Lady Elizabeth is a trade designation not a cultivar name. It is All American, see link above. Since it is patented presumably it's not something else renamed. The situation is not as clear with Frankly Scarlet, which appears to be a trademark only with no indication of a real cultivar name. If that's indeed the case it could be anything. If sellers knew how to render plant names correctly it would be easier to figure these things out.
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
Frillylily
Jun 14, 2016 4:37 PM CST
I received a copy of All Americans catalog a few years back, and as I was looking at them I recognized a photo, I just coincidentally had received an Oakes catalog a few days before and compared the pictures. Dublin Elaine had been renamed by All American and they were using the very exact same photo that Oakes had in their book, trying to pass if off as "theirs". I would not ever order anything from them.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 14, 2016 4:50 PM CST
It's not necessarily technically renamed if they're selling it under a trademark. Having said that, if indeed it is 'Dublin Elaine' then it really should be written DREAM SOUFFLE ('Dublin Elaine'). A trade designation is not a cultivar name.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Region: Alabama Composter Garden Photography Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Seedfork
Jun 14, 2016 4:54 PM CST
Another tie to Oaks, and American Daylily and Perennials. It seems to me these companies have a lot more in common than meets the eye. I am wondering if Oaks is not the source for the All American daylily plants. See my post in the thread 'Frankly Scarlet'. I wondered why American Daylily and Perennials would be featuring a Corryton Pink Tet? It seems Oaks is the supplier of most of these unregistered plants with the same names as the registered ones and they hype them as All American winners.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Region: Alabama Composter Garden Photography Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Seedfork
Jun 14, 2016 4:55 PM CST
sooby I saw no patent info on their site about 'Frankly Scarlet', it just appears to be a similar plant.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 14, 2016 5:53 PM CST
I saw it listed on one or two sites as Frankly Scarlet TM which, if accurate, means we don't know the cultivar name or what cultivar it is. A trade designation should not be written with single quotes, only a cultivar name gets the single quotes.

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