Roses forum: Fragrance: Can you smell the roses?

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Name: Carol Sandt
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csandt
Jun 27, 2016 8:53 AM CST
I recently discovered that two of the four rose cultivars that I recently chose and planted for their strong fragrance are not at all fragrant to me! To be specific, Beverly and Savannah seem wonderfully fragrant to me; however, I cannot detect any fragrance at all in Wedding Bells; and Dark Desire seems only slightly fragrant (and not very pleasant) to me.

Beverly:



Savannah:


Wedding Bells:


Dark Desire:

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The phenomenon of individual differences in the perception of fragrance in roses is new to me. So I recently visited the Historic Rose Garden at Hershey Gardens in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on a mini-research mission to smell the roses there.

Here are some cultivars that seemed pleasingly fragrant to me:

Sunsprite:



Eternal Flame:





Good As Gold (wonderful lemon fragrance):



Elle:



Melody Parfumee (beyond peak; my apologies):

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These cultivars were fragrant to me, but I did not find their fragrance to be very pleasant:

Dolly Parton:



Crimson Glory:



Chrysler Imperial:



Most of the other roses seemed to me to lack any fragrance at all.

Rose fragrance as perceived by different people has become an intriguing subject to me, and I would love to know about the insights and experiences of others on the topic of fragrance in roses.

I would also like to find a fragrant yellow rose that is healthy, strong and resistant to disease without chemical intervention. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Carol Sandt
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Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Jun 28, 2016 8:54 AM CST
I find the fragrance varies a lot due to temps at bloom time. Some that were richly fragrant in spring have little fragrance now that its hot. Dark Desire is new for me this year and was late to open its first blooms and didn't have much fragrance, but the potted Dark Desire I saw last spring had blooms that were nicely fragrant (and convinced me to order it this year).

Beverly is fragrant no matter when she blooms! Such a nice vigorous HT for me!
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Name: Carol Sandt
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csandt
Jun 28, 2016 5:39 PM CST
gemini_sage said:I find the fragrance varies a lot due to temps at bloom time. Some that were richly fragrant in spring have little fragrance now that its hot. Dark Desire is new for me this year and was late to open its first blooms and didn't have much fragrance, but the potted Dark Desire I saw last spring had blooms that were nicely fragrant (and convinced me to order it this year).

Beverly is fragrant no matter when she blooms! Such a nice vigorous HT for me!


Neal,

Variation in fragrance with temperature is very helpful information.

Dark Desire was the latest of the four to open here too, and it was fairly hot when it did finally open.
Carol Sandt
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cwhitt
Jun 28, 2016 5:40 PM CST
My Radiant Perfume smells spectacular. I live and Ohio and it has done well in the 10 years I had had it. They only thing I have noticed, is that the Japanese Beatles seem to like it best of all my roses. I tip my hat to you.
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gemini_sage
Jun 28, 2016 5:47 PM CST
I've also noticed Japanese beetles prefer fragrant blooms.

CS, my Dark Desire has a couple of buds opening now and I made a point to check it for fragrance. This time, no scent whatsoever. It has been hot and humid here for a few weeks.
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Name: Carol Sandt
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csandt
Jun 29, 2016 5:52 AM CST
cwhitt said:My Radiant Perfume smells spectacular. I live and Ohio and it has done well in the 10 years I had had it. They only thing I have noticed, is that the Japanese Beatles seem to like it best of all my roses. I tip my hat to you.


CWHITT,

Thank you for sharing your experience with Radient Perfume (RP). It looks beautiful based on a Google search. That same search showed that some other growers have experienced fewer than the expected number of blooms with RP, so perhaps you have a particularly successful approach to growing it. Would you be willing to share your secrets of success? I am new at growing roses other than Knockout roses, so I am expecting some challenges, but prefer not to use pesticides. Thank you.
Carol Sandt
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Zazinnia
Jun 29, 2016 1:39 PM CST
For me, Julia Childs is a good yellow, fragrant, hardy rose. I find the scent strongest in the afternoon when the sun is hitting it.
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Jun 29, 2016 6:51 PM CST

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That was my first thought too, Julia Child.



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Name: Christie
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cwhitt
Jun 30, 2016 8:50 AM CST
csandt said:

CWHITT,

Thank you for sharing your experience with Radient Perfume (RP). It looks beautiful based on a Google search. That same search showed that some other growers have experienced fewer than the expected number of blooms with RP, so perhaps you have a particularly successful approach to growing it. Would you be willing to share your secrets of success? I am new at growing roses other than Knockout roses, so I am expecting some challenges, but prefer not to use pesticides. Thank you.


@csandt - I do spread my coffee grounds, banana peels, and egg shells around the base of my roses. The banana peels I try to cover with a little soil though, so the pests wont attack. I seem to get plenty of roses. I tip my hat to you.
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