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Jun 27, 2016 3:00 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
Maybe, Possibly.....
......Hopefully

I was clearing out our field and didn't know what this was, but it looked too unique to rip up, so I asked for an I.D.


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and I learnt it was Epipactis helleborine. Invasive, pretty. But invasive.
Researching I also found out his has VERY LOW traces of Oxycodone. (I would of grown these plants when I was 18.........). But now, I laugh at the effect it has. Especially on wasps; their primary pollinators. They will even get a "high" from consistency of feeding.

GETTING to the point......

I was cleaning up our front flower bed and found these under tall day lilies....




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I hope this is truly something unique, and not an environmental fluke.

Either way, if it wasn't for you guys, I would never of knew where to look for identification, so thank you!
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Jun 27, 2016 3:28 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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You know, I am looking at budding and flowering Epipactis helleborine all the time, just take a look at our "walk about" thread. I have never ever seen a variegated helleborine. I think I might have flipped my lid if I would have been in your shoes! How exciting!!
If that were me, I would put a cage around it to protect it, and see if it comes back next year and if it is again coming up variegated. I would certainly keep my eye on that plant.
Btw, yes I have read people talking about this charming little Orchid as being invasive. Somehow I really doubt that. The only reason people might come up with that is because this Orchid is indigenous to parts of Northern Europe and found its way here. I remember a Swedish lady telling me that this this plant grows near her home town. Somehow I can't possibly imagine this plant taking over, especially not in our temperate climate.
Now Japanese Knotweed? Now we are talking invasive!!
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Jun 27, 2016 3:37 PM CST
Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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I'm not too worried about this cold growing terrestrial invading the deep south. It does have a lovely flower however. I'd rather have it than that blasted balsam apple vine.

Jim
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Jun 27, 2016 4:22 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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I just pulled out some older pictures to show budding plants, plants in bloom, the blooms and an actual pollinator.
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Your variegated plant in bloom should be a show stopper!
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Jun 27, 2016 8:02 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
God, I hope. Tomorrow I got the day off, and before I even WATER my hybrids I the field, I'm guarding this 1 up first.
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Jun 27, 2016 8:08 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Cool wasp pictures Ursula. I have a variegated Epipactis gigantea that showed up in my yard one time. I isolated it and it continued to be variegated. Its variegation is along the leaf edge and it blooms pink. Just pink. Sighing!
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Jun 27, 2016 8:44 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
Picture please.
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Jun 28, 2016 5:58 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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Oh yes please!
Daisy, that sounds lovely!
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Jun 28, 2016 9:29 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Its not as impressive as yours is. The variegation is just on the edge - some years more and some years less.
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Jun 28, 2016 4:18 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
It's neat regardless!
Knowing if you weren't Who You Are You might not even notice the amazing significance of it, so hats off to you my friend you are inspiring!
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Jun 28, 2016 4:20 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
Also, if you were me, would you think about this? Assuming let's see....... The plant stays consistent for years to come would there be any way I could get it patented or possibly profit off of it? Considering that it might be desirable? I know the process is strenuous, but let's just skip to the end is there anyway I could do really well with having this plant?
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Jun 28, 2016 5:27 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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Daisy, nice leaves! I have Bletillas with this type of variegation.

Brenden, perhaps others might chime in here with different ideas. The thought of profit never comes to my mind, when I see interesting plants like that.
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Jun 29, 2016 1:05 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Very doubtful you could profit off that plant. It's certainly a desirable plant, Brenden. But - and this is a Big But!! there are problems with the idea of propagating it for profit. Not to mention some big, expensive roadblocks in the process.

- First, you have to grow it for a few years to make sure it doesn't revert back to monochrome type. Daisy's plant hasn't so that is good. But it might be just a sport or an anomaly and not a genuine stable genetic mutation.
- Second, you need to see if you can propagate it successfully and grow variegated babies that are again stable - don't revert back to all green. That's going to take another couple of years, and be pretty iffy, jmho. You'd have to propagate it by divisions, cuttings or cloning not seeds because the seeds would certainly carry the dominant monochromatic genes so a percentage (probably a large percentage) of seedlings would be all green.
- Third, assuming you've met the first and second criteria, you'd have to grow these plants out to a size where you'd be able to sell and ship them successfully. I'd think that would take an ability to isolate the plants somehow, maybe in a greenhouse so they wouldn't mix with the plain ones.
- Fourth, patenting a plant, oh my! You'd have to prove that it is a unique plant that nobody else has, probably they do this by DNA profiling now, I'd guess. Very hard to defend a patent like that, IF you even could get it patented in the first place which is a long drawn out process and very expensive. If a large nursery got hold of one of your plants and began propagating and selling it, you'd be faced with hiring lawyers and getting more DNA proof that their plant IS the same as your patented plant - more huge expense.
Elaine

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Jun 29, 2016 4:21 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
If I had acorns I would toss you some haha! The hospital that I work with, an anesthesiologist has a plant patented himself. It is called pink lemonade bromeliad. Why all images are black and white I don't know, come on Google...
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Jun 29, 2016 4:38 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Well then, when you get the chance, ask him about the process he went through to patent his plant.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Jun 29, 2016 6:21 PM CST
Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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From what I've read, those don't take well to domestication, or being moved at all.
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Jun 29, 2016 6:55 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
Amaryllis Tropicals Multi-Region Gardener Orchids Master Gardener: Florida Irises
Herbs Region: Florida Vegetable Grower Daylilies Birds Cat Lover
Here's the registry for Billbergia Pink Lemonade, Brenden. Lots of pictures of it in color. It's been registered since 1994.

http://registry.bsi.org/index....
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Jun 30, 2016 5:57 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
dyzzypyxxy said:Here's the registry for Billbergia Pink Lemonade, Brenden. Lots of pictures of it in color. It's been registered since 1994.

http://registry.bsi.org/index....


That's his all right nice picture ty
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Jun 30, 2016 6:27 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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We are looking at a Cultivar which is registered, it is not patented.
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Jun 30, 2016 6:38 AM CST
Name: Alice
Flat Rock, NC (Zone 7a)
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Also, it helps to have a relationship with a big university with research facilities where the genetics and stability can be well studied and documented.
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