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Jul 4, 2016 8:42 AM CST
|What do you use to tag or label your plants when hand pollinating them so you know which one you did along with pod and pollen parent|
Jul 4, 2016 8:43 AM CST
|And where do you get them from too?|
Jul 4, 2016 10:32 AM CST
|I use rapiclip vinyl green stretch tape (1/2 inch size). I mark the cross with black sharpie and it never fades.|
Jul 4, 2016 2:26 PM CST
|I've had several incarnations over the years. When I first began piddling with crosses, I just used different colors of twist ties from bread bags, and folded the ends up differently for further designation, and recorded each with their corresponding cross in a note book. That only lasted one season: the twist tie colors faded in the sun, and by fall it was difficult to tell apart the white or beige or yellow, or the blue or green or red. Then I had the idea of marking same color ties with different colored markers in the fashion of how transistors used to be marked for their number of ohms. That never made it past the drawing board, since the colors would have faded in the sun. Next I had short lengths of mini blinds that I punched holes in, wrote the necessary info on them with pencil and twist tied them to the corresponding pod stem. |
This was still way too tedious, especially as the number of crosses kept growing each year. I mentioned my dilemma one day to my brother-in-law, and he gave me these.
They are like the twist ties you see at co-ops or grocery stores where you bag your own bulk foods, like beans or grains.
They came in little "books" and he had quite a few. He said they didn't work for his intended use, so I took the lot. But now I'm near the end of them, and I'm going to have to source a new supply. At first I used both pencil and sharpie on them, and they both work equally well, since you only need it to last for a few months.
Jul 4, 2016 2:52 PM CST
|Dave, I'm in Chicago for the lily show but I will show you my method when I get back! More important is the marker and your labeling system. Consider how you'd like to keep records of your cross. The planning helps!|
Jul 4, 2016 5:58 PM CST
|I have given it some thought. I have seen a lot of people use a number system and keep records of it all. For me i think it will be easier to track them by their names. But now that i think of it, I'm sure a lot of people use numbers since their seedlings don't have any names. But i bought a notebook that i can record things in, of which I'll track the height, color, bloom and foliage shapes and colors, type of lily it is,asiatic oriental etc. Along with dates it emerges and dates of the first bloom. Then whatever crosses i attempt, if the pollination takes then I'll get another notebook to record the seedlings. |
Now what crosses i might try this year will be limited to the already established lilium I had previous to this year, and obviously keep it in the same division. Maybe once i get second going I'll come up with my own numerical system that i can understand.
Jul 13, 2016 6:16 PM CST
|Dave, I will briefly explain my method.|
So in the first photo my setup is there. Plastic tag with whole punch, garden marker(never fades like a sharpie), pencil to Make a foil cap, green tie for tag to stem
Here is my journal from this year. I haven't done that many crosses due to the beetle but I'm probably gonna work with more henryi stuff too. So my system works on the year number and a three digit number. I settled on a three digit number because there may be years that I do over 100 crosses but I will never do more than 999! I mark it in the book along with a few notes. I did a cross with older pollen because it was all I had left so I noted it. I don't want to rule it out in the future if it doesn't take because of bad pollen. I also listed frozen pollen from last year for the same reason. My log has also changed a bit as I now leave a line to mark down at the end of the season. If the pod had 80 seeds it's noted, if the dog knocked over the stem, it's noted.
Jul 13, 2016 6:24 PM CST
|Pretty similar to my notebook, Joe. I leave a couple of blank lines between each cross for adding any notes later.|
Jul 13, 2016 6:27 PM CST
|Thanks Joe. That's a big help. I think I would have to have my wife do the writing though as I have horrible penmanship and can't read my own writing lol|
Jul 13, 2016 8:56 PM CST
|I print. |
My written notes look similar, but the data is transferred to a computer spread sheet.
It makes things incredibly easy to sort or look back at past years, search, etc. There were only two reasons why I bought a PC in the beginning: email and plant data storage and organization. I didn't even have a digital camera for several years after.
And FYI, an easy way (if you don't already know) to have two sheets on your screen at one time:
1 - windows key+right arrow reduces the window to the right half of the monitor
2 - windows key+left arrow reduces the window to the left half of the monitor
Jul 14, 2016 7:19 AM CST
|I have a good example thsi morning of how "good" my system works:|
I thought I remembered in my past hybridizing, that since I seem to not grow very compatible suitors for Lilium Sarabande, Sarabande was generally not a very good parent for me to use (not necessarily so in other instances).
So to verify, if I had to search all my years of notebooks and THROUGH each one to find each instance........YIKES! That could take forever.....
But my computer folder system for yearly data is thus:
-- Years (folder)
-- -- -- 2016 (folder)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Seed Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Hybridizing (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Vegetative Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Schedule (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Plant Collections (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2016 Acquired
-- -- -- 2015 (folder)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Seed Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Hybridizing (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Vegetative Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Schedule (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Plant Collections (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2015 Acquired
-- -- -- 2014 (folder)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Seed Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Hybridizing (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Vegetative Propagation (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Schedule (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Plant Collections (spread sheet)
-- -- -- -- -- 2014 Acquired
-- -- etc. through the years
A quick search in the Years folder brings up all the spread sheets with Sarabande listed. I open the Hibridizing ones, use the find function to highlight the corresponding lines, and Voila!
And as the years accumulate and amount of data increases, a method to search becomes even more necessary. I remember the first couple years of my data collection: I hadn't formed a good system yet, and now I have to wade through a lot of "unwanted" information there to find what I am looking for.