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Jul 5, 2016 7:58 AM CST
|I found a very strange scape.. it looks like dividing really close to the base.|
Is it a prolif or some other kind of crazy growth?
Jul 6, 2016 3:30 AM CST
|Cheked better this morning, ny DLs are all crowded and it's a bit hard to look well at everything. There's a small fan on the right part of that scape, the one that seems "attached" and white at the end. I'm so thrilled with proliferation!|
Jul 7, 2016 11:12 AM CST
|So I went out in the garden this morning to harvest some proliferations. I would have much preferred to leave them on the scapes longer , but the scapes were turning brown and becoming an eyesore. I had one scape that had died completely and the proliferation on it had also dried up and died. So that prompted me to go ahead and harvest many of the proliferations. I am just hoping they they are developed enough to continue to grow and make a nice fan or fans. I had very few cultivars that had grown proliferations but 'Lady Neva' out did herself with them. I had a NOID that was just a proliferation making machine, it was just loaded with proliferations.|
Here is the NOID clump after being cleared of scapes and dead leaves.
Here is a photo of the scapes and prolifs that came off of that one clump.
I just saved the largest ones, and I did not bother to pot them up. I just pushed them down into the bog soil with my thumb and hope they will grow.
The bloom on that NOID this morning.
I also had one other NOID I wanted to save a prolif. that was growing. I did pot it up.
Here are two pots of prolif. off of 'Lady Neva' notice that the one cluster of prolifs. will by itself make a nice little clump when it matures.
This is a photo of all the prolifs. I potted up this morning.
Jul 7, 2016 11:45 AM CST
|I was wanting to ask this question and I guess this is as good a place as any, What is your opinion(anyone's) about the amount of energy prolifs draw from a plant. I know I have read that seed pods drain the energy from a plant, but I have seen nothing about the effect of prolifs on the mother plant. I was thinking as I harvested all those scapes and prolifs that it would be a great relief for the plant, yet I have read that the plant actually draws energy from the scape? Can that be correct?|
Jul 7, 2016 12:43 PM CST
|It would depend on when the prolif leaves start photosynthesizing. If they are photosynthesizing they are not a using energy but are making it. Ditto for the scapes if they are actually photosynthesizing. Anything that's not green would not be photosynthesizing, however.|
Jul 7, 2016 1:10 PM CST
|How is it determined when the scapes and leaves are actually photosynthesizing? Also, some of the scapes with prolifs were also supporting seed pods. So how much difference would that make?|
Jul 7, 2016 1:22 PM CST
|I should clarify that they'd be making it and using it, presumably. To know exactly what's going on would require some testing. I don't know if there's a way of roughly testing this without lab equipment. Maybe Maurice has some ideas @admmad|
Jul 7, 2016 2:01 PM CST
|Well, I am going to keep an eye on that clump and see if if makes a miraculous recovery or just continues to grow normally, or if it declines. I suppose that will give me some indication of if the scapes were draining the plant of any energy or not.|
Jul 7, 2016 2:19 PM CST
|If there's a perceptible change it wouldn't necessarily be related to draining energy but could be to do with the scape and prolif removal changing the way the plant behaves. That would depend on how much influence a scape with a prolif has on the behaviour of the main plant, for example if its existence prevents new fans from growing at the base and removal releases them to grow.|
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
Jul 7, 2016 2:20 PM CST
|I expect that both the proliferations and the scape are photosynthesizing from the start. Unfortunately the question is whether they are synthesizing enough to balance the amount of any resources they are using that are supplied by the crown/original fan.|
We might compare, at least theoretically, the behaviour of the plant with a scape that say has had all its buds eaten, a scape with only proliferations and a rhizome with a fan at its end. A scape that has had its buds eaten seems to be aborted relatively quickly. A scape with proliferations seems to last a relatively long time. A rhizome with a fan at its end presumably lasts a very long time. The fan on the end of the rhizome presumably makes little demand on the resources of the original crown and becomes independent relatively quickly. A scape with proliferations presumably makes less demand on the resources of the original crown. A scape that has lost its buds presumably does not supply enough resources to the crown to balance its potential dangers (easier disease/pest entry perhaps).
Jul 7, 2016 2:44 PM CST
|So it seems the opposite of what I was thinking. I was thinking the more and the larger the proliferations the larger the drain on the plant, but it appears the large proliferations are pretty much taking care of themselves and are not actually draining the plant (crown/original plant).|
Jul 7, 2016 2:54 PM CST
|Thank you Larry, those are really many proliferations! They look good! Where do you cut to pot them?|
Many thanks Sue and Maurice for such precious informations and insights, as always!
Jul 7, 2016 2:58 PM CST
|I like to cut mine according to the size of the proliferation. I like to leave just enough above the proliferation to allow me to push it down into the soil with my thumb. The larger the proliferation the more it needs to be stabilized when potting so a small prolif might just have an inch or two left of the scape on the bottom, but a large prolif might new two to three inches to stabilize it good in the soil.|
Jul 7, 2016 3:22 PM CST
|Thank you, that's what I couldn't understand, if it needed a bit of scape or not! The one in my first post.. it looks different, it looks as a continuum of the scape... how do I cut that?|
Jul 7, 2016 3:46 PM CST
|The best I can tell looking at the photo, you proliferation is just low down on the scape. I had a couple like that today. If I am seeking it correctly, when you cut it, for the upper cut just cut about a half inch above the proliferation (for a thumb placement), but if you are not planning on having to push the proliferation into the soil, just cut it even with the proliferation. For the lower cut there still looks like an inch of so below the proliferation to soil level, and part of if will be even lower, so just cut it as low as you can. It might even snap off below the soil level. You want enough of the scape to act like an anchor and keep the plant upright when it is potted.|
Jul 8, 2016 9:23 AM CST
|Larry, the prolif doesn't have any part of the scape above her growing point.|
For now I can't see any roots, while the other I have like yours in the middle of a scape is showing the first little root. I wnat to pot them because if they will survive they will be a gift. I have a third one on another plant born from a bract but it's still young!
here are three pics from three sides
on the left there was a scape I cut today because it was dry
Thank you, and sorry.. I can be dense sometimes
Jul 8, 2016 9:37 AM CST
|I think you are doing the right thing by leaving them on the plant as long as you can. No problem with the prolif not having any scape above it, it won't matter a bit.|
Jul 8, 2016 9:38 AM CST
|I added the pictures after your reply, I think! Thanks again!|
Jul 14, 2016 2:01 AM CST
|Please help... usual panic attack!!|
Where do I cut it?
I want to pot it. One question, the piece of scape that maybe left attached to it doesn't rot?
Jul 14, 2016 5:39 AM CST
|How long is that scape from the prolif to the soil? Just judging from the photo I would cut the scape at soil level. Let me ask, where you think you should cut it and why you think you should cut it there?|