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Jul 8, 2016 10:15 AM CST
Name: Dave
Virginia 6a (Zone 6a)
Sorry for what may be a foolish question, but I am looking at the bloom traits of a plant that I am trying to identify (Court Jester). The description indicates "bitone or reverse bitone"....what exactly does that mean? Any pictures would be appreciated.
Thank you!
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Jul 8, 2016 11:24 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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Welcome!

This is an example of a reverse bitone, and there is a link on the page to bitone:

http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d...

Having said that, the registration for 'Court Jester' describes it as "Orange red medium with markings, bitone, or polychrome".
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Jul 8, 2016 1:01 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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In the database here under bloom traits: It says bitone or reverse bitone.
So I am wondering if sometimes it is one then at other times the other?
Here is the link for polychrome:
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d...
'Court Jester' seems to be a very old plant. I found no photos of it.
However, 'Royal Jester' the bloom traits for it are : bicolor or reverse bicolor
I don't know if you are looking for the plant, or just wanted a definition of the terms. bicolor or reverse bicolor would be: http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d...
reverse bicolor would be: ?
Didn't find the definition, but I am sure you get the point. Still, I have no idea why it shows them both. All the photos of 'Royal Jester' look pretty similar to me.
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Jul 8, 2016 1:38 PM CST
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Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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A few years ago I did an article on the terms used to describe the color patterns seen in daylilies. Both bicolor and bitone were included with examples. Here's a link to the article...
http://garden.org/ideas/view/C...
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Jul 8, 2016 1:42 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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@Char
Any idea why 'Court Jester' would list bitone or reverse bitone under bloom traits?
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Jul 8, 2016 1:55 PM CST
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It's registered description is bitone.
The NGA database listing for bloom traits has the color description listed as bitone or reverse bitone, it is an NGA database checkbox designation. Take a peek in the search by characteristics area and you'll see what I mean.
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Jul 8, 2016 1:56 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Thanks, that explains it! So the check box is for either, instead of having one check box for each.
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Jul 8, 2016 2:25 PM CST
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Yes, the checkbox is for either. When you read the color description on NGA or use the AHS database link to read the registration it will (should) give you the color placement, in this case bitone.

Color description of Court Jester - ORM2: Orange red medium with markings, bitone, or polychrome
What is interesting in the color description is the inclusion of "markings" and "or polychrome" which makes me wonder if this is a bitone as defined or a blend, a mix of two colors on the tepals. A polychrome is a mix of three or more colors on the tepals.
Wonder what "markings" refers to? Wish there was an image of it.
Thanks for the Acorn Smiling
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Jul 8, 2016 3:33 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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There's an image of it in the Daylily Journal of Spring 2000, page 63. Winner of the 1999 Tricolor Award. AHS members can access that issue on the AHS members portal in the journal archives.
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Jul 8, 2016 3:42 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Oops, wrong photo.
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Jul 8, 2016 4:40 PM CST
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Name: Char
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I'm not sure that is Court Jester the cultivar...don't they usually have a theme for the Tricolor class and the entrants name their entries to go with that theme? The daylily in the image doesn't show an orange red either.....

Haven't been on the AHS Portal in a while, the addition of the older journals complete with searchability is awesome! Now I know what to do on those rainy washed out hybridizing days Thumbs up
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Jul 8, 2016 5:21 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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I wondered about it too, Char, but it was shown in the index as a cultivar name. Maybe it was misinterpreted. I have no clue about exhibition classes, we don't have them here. Presumably there might be a clue in the results somewhere. Unfortunately that is the only reference to the name in the journals index. Is it even still available?
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Jul 8, 2016 5:45 PM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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http://patriotdaylilysociety.o...
Looks like Court Jester was the design and 'Marie Babin' was the cultivar? Love the use of those brake shoes.
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Jul 8, 2016 5:51 PM CST
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I just looked in my Exhibition handbook and yes, there is normally a general theme for the design division with the classes named to follow the theme. My guess is when the search list of cultivar images was done the person(s) didn't realize the way the design class works.
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Jul 8, 2016 5:54 PM CST
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Oh GREAT find Larry! Thumbs up Yes, that explains much better than the AHS DJ image.
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Jul 9, 2016 5:13 AM CST
Name: Dave
Virginia 6a (Zone 6a)
Seedfork said:http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/AHS%20Tricolor%20Winners%20Through%20the%20Years.pdf
Looks like Court Jester was the design and 'Marie Babin' was the cultivar? Love the use of those brake shoes.


Thank you so much, I really appreciate all the helpful comments and this photo!
Thank You!
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Jul 9, 2016 6:34 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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@BlueRidge, just want to make sure you understood that was not a photo of 'Court Jester' but of cultivar 'Marie Babin'.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Marie Babin')
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Jul 13, 2016 5:34 AM CST
Name: Dave
Virginia 6a (Zone 6a)
Seedfork said:@BlueRidge, just want to make sure you understood that was not a photo of 'Court Jester' but of cultivar 'Marie Babin'.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Marie Babin')


Aw shoot, I had misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
*Blush*
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