Daylilies forum: self-pollinated tetraploids

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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 27, 2016 4:51 AM CST
Has anyone looked this up in the paper check list? There were some errors when the volunteers entered the data for the original AHS CD that became the online database. I reported one recently where the checklist was misinterpreted during data entry and it has now been corrected in the database. The paper check list was correct.
Name: Glen Ingram
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Gleni
Jul 27, 2016 5:10 PM CST
Sue, who do you need to contact in AHS to point out an error? I have tried notifying a breeder but with no luck. (Which reminds me I must become a member of that esteemed society).
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 27, 2016 5:20 PM CST
I believe try initially Janice Wood, the registration data collection sub-committee chair at [email protected]

Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Aug 31, 2016 5:16 AM CST
@admmad ,. Maurice, are you still interested in self-crosses?

I did a number of self crosses with one of my diploids, Olallie Keith Stone's Sunset, not truly expecting much, but it was the only thing blooming (and I didn't feel like thawing frozen pollen)... It loved itself! I have normal seeds from it. I selfed several other cultivars and I'm pretty sure a few took, but I'm still waiting to see if pods abort or stay. I just did a Heavenly Tiger Tails self the other day. I've also tried Tuscawilla Tigress settled, but it isn't a super fertile pod parent to begin with, so if that failed, I wouldn't dismiss it as unable to self-pollinate. Going back to diploid, I crossed Olallie Keith with itself, again, because it was the only dip blooming, and so far so good, but the pods haven't ripened yet.

Re-reading some of these posts got me to thinking...I could not set a single pod on Spiderman (Tet) this year. I think I did get a couple of pods from it as a pollen parent, but I remember last year that it was the pollen parent I listed with a diploid pod parent (Olallie Keith Stone's Sunset). I am reconsidering the idea that it could be triploid... Or maybe even a chimera? I think I saved some of its pollen.... I'm going to try it on my Olallie Keith, which is still blooming.

By the way, I realized this post makes it sound like I only have the or four cultivars of daylilies, LoL, but it is purely coincidence that my two Olallie-with-Keith-in-the-name cultivars tied into both topics I was talking about.
Name: Maurice
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admmad
Aug 31, 2016 6:41 AM CST
@DogsNDaylilies
Yes, I am still interested in self-crosses. Thank you for the information.
Olallie Keith Stone's Sunset - normal seeds is one step. Unfortunately the vital step is do the seeds germinate. Inbreeding depression may cause them to fail or cause the seedlings to lack vigour.
Maurice
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Aug 31, 2016 7:02 AM CST
I'm only at step 1. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get to step 2 (germinating) and step 3 (growing them out), I'm really cramped for growing space right now, but some of my garden beds should free up a bit in the spring, so I'm planning on starting quite a few seeds indoors this winter. We'll see if those make the cut...
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jan 14, 2017 7:02 AM CST
admmad said:I am looking for introduced tetraploids that have been successfully self-pollinated (the seedlings from the self-pollinations raised to flowering). Any one know of any?


@admmad - if you're still looking for this, 'Dance Baby' (Blodgett, 1994) is registered as 'Dance Ballerina Dance' x 'Dance Ballerina Dance'.
Name: Glen Ingram
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Gleni
Jan 15, 2017 5:29 AM CST
Two from my garden I tested this year: PURPLE RIOT and MILANESE MANGO. I have the seed in the fridge but haven't planted them yet. I have been convinced for several years MM could be self-pollinated and have viable offspring. We shall see how this lot goes.
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Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Mar 4, 2017 2:17 PM CST
I was just thinking about this thread yesterday as I was organizing my daylily seeds. Last year I selfed a couple. So far, I have come across atleast two that produced seeds that appear (look good and pass the squish test) to have viable seeds, but whether they produce viable seedlings is another matter. The two varieties I know I have 'successful' seeds from are:

Olallie Keith (dip)
Sound and Fury (tet)


I didn't get very many seeds out of either. I don't usually expect many seeds out of tets to begin with, but Olallie Keith typically gives off a number of seeds in its pods, so the low number would seem to indicate that the genetics of some of the seeds caused them to self abort. That's just a guess, of course.

If I come across others that were 'successfully' selfed, I will try to remember to come back in here and post them. Moreso, if I plant these this year (I wasn't really intending to due to lack of space), I will report back on how viable the seedlings were.
Name: Daniel Erdy
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ediblelandscapingsc
Jul 18, 2019 10:37 AM CST
I got a thumbs up today on this thread and I'm glad I did, thanks Pat.
Here is an update on my seed crosses that year. The dip x tet crosses all failed but my tet x self crosses lived. Forbidden Fantasy X Forbidden Fantasy is not only alive but is more fertile then its parent both ways. The flower even looks better in my opinion. Pictures are on the June seedling thread.

Maurice next year if you want me to cross it with it's self to see how many self crosses can be done before fertility becomes and issue I'll be happy to do so.
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Name: Maurice
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admmad
Jul 18, 2019 6:15 PM CST
ediblelandscapingsc said:... next year if you want me to cross it with it's self to see how many self crosses can be done before fertility becomes and issue I'll be happy to do so.


Thank you, but there is no need for repeated tetraploid self crosses in further generations. The genetic theory indicates that any inbreeding depression may be minor (take much longer to appear) than in diploids. So it would likely require many generations of repeated self-pollinations to see any effect in tetraploids.

Maurice
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Name: Bob
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bobjax
Nov 10, 2019 3:49 PM CST
admmad said:I am looking for introduced tetraploids that have been successfully self-pollinated (the seedlings from the self-pollinations raised to flowering). Any one know of any?


Hi Maurice,

Check this one:

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Tea Party Pride')

It is a dormant.

The self to self is an evergreen. Victoria Elizabeth Barnes x Victoria Elizabeth Barnes

Its parents are a SEV and an Evergreen.

Magnifique x Teahouse Geisha
First a Diploid, the second a tet.

Bob


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Name: Maurice
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admmad
Nov 11, 2019 8:33 AM CST
Thanks Bob, 'Victoria Elizabeth Barnes' is the plant I would be interested in. It is still available and easily affordable. Smiling

Munson bred 'Magnifique' and he practised colchicine conversions of diploids to tetraploids. The cross registered as 'Magnifique' x 'Teahouse Geisha' was almost certainly pollen from colchicine treated 'Magnifique' on 'Teahouse Geisha'. Therefore likely tetraploid on tetraploid.
Maurice
Name: Glen Ingram
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Gleni
Nov 17, 2019 5:55 AM CST
RETRO AFTERNOON x RETRO AFTERNOON
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RETRO AFTERNOON
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