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Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
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chris1948
Dec 24, 2016 8:18 AM CST
Thanks Ursula and BTW I've got quite a few that are now spiking and also budding out again from spikes that were there on the ones I got this past summer.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 6b
Plumerias Orchids Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
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Ursula
Dec 24, 2016 8:19 AM CST

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You will have a nice Show this Winter! Smiling
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 6b
Plumerias Orchids Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
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Ursula
Jan 31, 2017 8:17 AM CST

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New thread by @Chris1948 about rescues
The thread "10 new rescues today" in Orchids forum
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 4, 2017 3:54 PM CST
Couldn't decide whether to start a new thread or post in an old one so I decided on the latter. This sort of fits here since I got it at WM a couple of years ago. Now it's not looking very healthy on the top but if you look at the bottom you'll see a few healthy root coming out of the one stem, at least they look like healthy roots to me. Any advice from you orchid experts? Do I just say a silent prayer, play taps and relegate it to the black trash bag of death or can it be saved with some TLC?

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Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 6b
Plumerias Orchids Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
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Ursula
Feb 4, 2017 4:37 PM CST

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You probably don't like my answer, but it would be "compost pile", I wouldn't waste more time and money on this one.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 4, 2017 4:40 PM CST
Thanks Ursula, actually that was the answer I was looking for. I didn't think it was worth saving but I had to ask.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: lindsey
wesley chapel, fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Orchids
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sugarcane
Feb 4, 2017 4:50 PM CST
Chris...sometimes you have to pick your battles.
When I was shopping the scratch and dent racks at Lowe's..I would knock a plant out of it's pot to investigate the situation with the roots before I bought it and even that did not mean success...with all the other plants you've got..is THIS one really worth the effort?
lindsey
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 4, 2017 5:01 PM CST
Hi Lindsey, like I said to Ursula, I expected that it wouldn't be worth saving but I wanted to ask.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 6b
Plumerias Orchids Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
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Ursula
Apr 9, 2017 8:49 AM CST

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The thread "Orchid dying?" in Orchids forum

This one was not dying, but looked rather healthy! Thumbs up
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 21, 2017 7:41 AM CST
Not really wanting to start a new thread so I'll add my question to this one. I may be the 'Phal Whisperer' Rolling on the floor laughing but I still need help. I'm still feeding my Phals 1/2tsp of MSU per 1gal of RO water. Since it's the blooming season and even though mine are doing great do I need to increase the MSU up to maybe 3/4tsp of MSU per gallon?
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: lindsey
wesley chapel, fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Orchids
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sugarcane
Apr 21, 2017 9:24 AM CST
I wouldn't ...if anything ...I would reduce the amount of food during the plants resting period..when you see no new root growth or new leaves...just my 2 cents...
lindsey
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 21, 2017 1:27 PM CST
Thanks Lindsey, the reduction I plan on doing after the blooming finishes, down to about 1/4tsp but I didn't know with them blooming do I need to increase it a bit.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: lindsey
wesley chapel, fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Orchids
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sugarcane
Apr 21, 2017 2:18 PM CST
I don't think so, Chris..it looks like you have great bloom counts on this first year after their near death experience.
lindsey
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 21, 2017 2:21 PM CST
Thanks Lindsey 1/2tsp per gal it will stay then. I need to hurry up and get to making my labels so I know what plant is what color before they fade. I didn't do it last year and wish I had.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: lindsey
wesley chapel, fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Orchids
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sugarcane
Apr 21, 2017 2:34 PM CST
Chris, what has worked for me is a tag that says something like PHAL. NOID #1 and then I have a file folder on my desktop with each plant either by name ( if it has one) or by a NOID #
I attach a photo at the top and details about when and where I got it when it bloomed and how many buds..I keep updating the file, with repotting info..bud blast or other drama...like RIP.
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This also helps me from buying the same plants or colors of plants over and over Whistling

lindsey
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 21, 2017 2:50 PM CST
That's an excellent idea Lindsey, I may try something like that some day. What I have now for some of my plants is I use the tape that is wrapped around your AC ducts. It's metallic and I use a metal stamp set I bought then attach the finished product to a length of wooden skewer. Like the cactus on the right in the photo.

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Alexp08
Apr 21, 2017 7:50 PM CST
This may have been asked already buy what potting media should I use? I'm currently using Miracle-Gro orchid mix. Which is basically bark. It drys out super quick. Is there anything I can add to it or what other media should I get? Thanks.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 21, 2017 8:03 PM CST
Hi @Alexp08, welcome to the forum. I use Rexus Orchid bark - http://w.rexius.com/rexius-orc... which I have to order from a local nursery. In my personal opinion the Miracle-Gro bark breaks down too quickly. I've had some in my orchids in Rexius bark for over a year with no break down.
Chris - Linux since 1995
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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tarev
Apr 21, 2017 9:44 PM CST
During my first few attempts to grow Phals, I used chunky bark mix, easily available from HD. Then as time grew on, I realized, these Phal roots just wants some air and some moisture, and prefers to be on the dry side while attached to something and getting their water and fertilizer spray as needed. So to lessen my anxiety if the bark is degrading or getting too wet, I changed my media to non-bark stuff. I used hygrolon baggies, inside each bag are some styrofoam peanuts, while in some I just wrapped some hygrolon on a plant pole. I also stuffed some chunky lava rock or clay rocks inside the container. Knowing that in nature these plants are typically just hanging on branches, I figured what it needs is just some way to anchor itself in my container since I cannot make them go hanging indoors. I still have them in containers, supported enough by these non-bark stuff I use. Lessens my need to do a repot since nothing degrades and easy enough to water. Hygrolon gets wet like sphaghum moss but does not stay way too wet like sphagnum moss so there is much air around the root zone. Phals are quite prone to making aerial roots anyways, so I just let those roots roam loosely inside the container and above.

I still have some Phals in bark too, later on when time to repot comes, I will switch them with my non-bark media.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Plumerias Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Apr 22, 2017 5:25 AM CST
Hi Tarev, I've never heard of Hygrolon until I read your above post then I found your blog post from 2013 explaining how you set it up with your Phals.. I'm curious now whether this would be something I'd want to experiment with. Since I have all my Phals sitting on a couple of tables in the greenhouse I have to stake every spike instead of letting them hang which I guess the bark medium is better for since the stake is held by it. Do you have a recent photo of your setup? I'd be interested in seeing how it looks.
Chris - Linux since 1995

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