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Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Apr 22, 2019 7:35 AM CST
I took a trip with three gardening friends to the Philadelphia Flower Show probably 15 - 20 years ago. We had a great time. We also visited Longwood Gardens. We really enjoyed ourselves.
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immike1
Apr 22, 2019 7:28 PM CST
I'm less than two hours from Longwood, just visited Thursday, always a treat!
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immike1
Apr 30, 2019 2:49 PM CST
Nobody told this Phalenopsis it's only supposed to have one set of leaves.
This was a rescue Orchid that lost it's original leaves to rot and survived.

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Name: Bill
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BigBill
Apr 30, 2019 3:13 PM CST
Do you really think that that Phalaenopsis has it survived? Survived to what level? To the level that technically it is not dead? Really, that is the best thing that you can say about it.
It is barely alive, one minor set back from death. Possibly, in its current state, it will not bloom.
Healthy Phalaenopsis should be carrying between 5-8 leaves on each monopodial growth.
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Name: Anna Z.
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AnnaZ
Apr 30, 2019 8:56 PM CST
Gee, it looks like it's pretty young..........give it some time.....................
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May 1, 2019 12:25 AM CST

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I think that's a tad harsh, Bill. Yes, it's barely alive, but if Mike has gotten it to recover to this point considering it lost all its leaves, I'd say he's doing well.
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Name: Bill
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BigBill
May 1, 2019 3:21 AM CST
Harsh? Okay. I can agree.
But mike, what you really need to do is to get that repotted into a smaller pot with a media that will hold a little more water because your plant looks very dry. Phalaenopsis do not like to be grown on the dry side.
I would say that you should use a plastic pot. It will hold a bit more water drying more slowly. And when you repot, get those leafy new growths down much closer to the top of the media. New roots that develope from the base of these 'plantlets' will have the opportunity to burrow into that new media. If they form high up on the rhizome away from the media they often dry out and die back or get broken easily depriving them the chance to absorb water.
Don't fertilize but twice a year, that is plenty.
And it is not young Anna, it just appears to be so because it has been growing in tough conditions but dying back to where the tiny growths make it appear to be young. Most of the light tan color represents old leaves and roots that have died back.
But mike, if you repot it, get it more water, she'll come back more quickly. But it has been my experience that if it continues on its current path, I am not so optimistic.
Again, I apologize for being harsh and Good Luck going forward!
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Name: Ursula
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May 1, 2019 7:33 AM CST

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It's alliiiiiive!!!
..... says Ursula in her best Frankenstein voice.... and Madeline Kahn is happily singing/trilling somewhere in the background! Smiling
Name: Mike
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immike1
May 3, 2019 6:17 AM CST
@bigbill
I don't think your comments were harsh at all...actually what happened was I put the plant at the back of the shelf in the greenhouse and forgot about it until I noticed those little leaves.
Plants like this are "experiments" for me and I will ABSOLUTELY take your advice and re pot the plant.
I may never get it to bloom but it is a "Phal" after all so I really don't care so much, but I can be sure I'll learn a few things along the way and that is always one of my goals.
Name: Bill
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BigBill
May 3, 2019 6:34 AM CST
Well thanks Mike, I appreciate your comments. I re-read my response and I thought it might have been a tad over the top, so I tried to correct it.
Let me say this, I bought my first orchid, a Cattleya, in 1975. From then I knew I was hooked! I have nothing against African violets, pathos, palms, money plants, ivy etc. but when you grow orchids, everything else fades into the background.
I really appreciate their beauty! I had to try to grow them.
Here it is, 44 years later and I am just as passionate!! But my direction or my goals have changed. I now am driven to share all of this information swirling inside my head. The Lord has blessed me with the ability to communicate, to instruct, to educate. To tell people about orchids.
I will continue to do so until I can no longer speak. I have encountered a few casual orchid people who try to help with orchid growing tips but there is no real substitute for getting information from an "Orchid Nut" like myself. I remain steadfastly at your service!
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Name: Mike
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immike1
May 4, 2019 5:46 PM CST
There is a similar gentleman over on another unnamed Orchid Forum with a wealth of experience like yourself, as a newbie myself growing orchids I do pay attention to such experienced opinions.
Thanks!
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BigBill
May 4, 2019 5:58 PM CST
Your are very welcome!!
Anytime.
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sallyg
May 23, 2019 5:55 AM CST
someone visiting my work place admired my Phals, asked for advice on hers, and then decided to gift me her 4 mini Phals instead of taking on any repotting etc. The leaves and some of the roots are in great shape. One is in something brown and spongy and may not have much good root.
I'm debating potting 3 together, they came in little flexible clear things about an inch and a half across. But if not that, I do have a dish that I have never figured out how to plant, which could hold them. But I still want to repot.
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Name: Bill
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BigBill
May 23, 2019 6:06 AM CST
Let me respond by saying this. I have repotted every single orchid that I have ever acquired, either through gift or purchase, without exception. I want them in my media ASAP! More importantly I want to see the roots.
You can have the best watering schedule, the best light, the best of everything but when it comes to Orchids, nothing good happens without roots! The more roots, the better off the plant is!
Let me add that every single orchid that I ever potted has been in its own pot, it's own basket etc. I just am of the notion that potting them together is just asking for trouble! It quickly can lead to watering and drainage issues. I apply the old adage, 'misery loves company'. By leaving them in their own container you can address issues that arise. Co-mingling is not my notion of good orchid culture!!
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sallyg
May 23, 2019 7:09 AM CST
Glad to hear your input, Bill. I will go with the individual pots and use that dish to catch drips.
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sallyg
May 30, 2019 6:23 AM CST
OK, so I took the mini Phals out of their pots, trimmed off any bad roots. All of them had 2-3 really nice green leaves. Some good roots, some barely any. They were in either brown sponge (rapid rooter?) or packed moss. I put them back in their soft plastic pots with fresh moss and sponge rock. Watered, placed in dish, set in my bedroom where the others lived (south window but with a translucent shade keeping direct sun off for summer.) And now two of them showed their appreciation by turning a yellow leaf. D'Oh! Maybe the ones with the bad leaf were the ones that had barely any roots...
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Name: Bill
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BigBill
May 30, 2019 6:52 AM CST
Don't worry. They should recover quickly.
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dragnlaw
Jun 14, 2019 12:58 PM CST

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Hi, I'm new to this forum and to Orchids. So far just big box, phalaenopsis.
So here's my story...
I joined as I have two plants that were planted with other succulents (cacti type) and was wondering if they were killing the flowers. While taking pictures to show you I answered part of my own question. These plants had been put on top of big squares of styrofoam to help them fit the decorative planters. When watered it would just pass right over and drain to the bottom. So I will re-pot.

So my next question is I should still keep the plants separate though , correct? They look sorta good together.

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ctcarol
Jun 14, 2019 1:05 PM CST
Yes, pot them in separate pots. You can always put the pots together in a larger container for display, if you like the look of them together.
Name: Bill
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BigBill
Jun 14, 2019 1:56 PM CST
If you want them ALL to survive, plant them in individual pots. Orchids are not succulents and succulents are not orchids!
Orchids are Epiphytes.
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