Roses forum: August 2016 -- Photos and Chat

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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Aug 12, 2016 3:46 AM CST
Jana, that bud photo is perfection!

Sharlene, love the photos and your cross is absolutely delicious looking! Lovey dubby

I've been making good progress catching up on weeding, cutting back perennials, and planting iris rhizomes, but have had to work mostly in the mornings until its too hot to continue. The roses that are showing the best black spot resistance are:
Zaide
Sunny Sky
Beverly (a few spots on older, lower leaves, otherwise looks healthy)
Orange Corsair
Nacogdoches
Tess of the d'Urbervilles
Out of Rosenheim (a few spots on older foliage)
Red Riding Hood (almost left this one off the list, quite a few spotty leaves, but the shrub as a whole looks pretty good)
Lemon Fizz
Belinda's Dream
Peggy Martin
Dortmund
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Name: Jana
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Jezer
Aug 12, 2016 7:12 AM CST
Thank you, Neal! Zuzu, your weather sounds heavenly to me right now! Today's temperatures are expected to be around 103 with 50% humidity, but we're excited about a "cool front" that will bring us down into the 80s this weekend!
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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Aug 12, 2016 11:27 AM CST
Jana, I'm counting on that same front up here in Wichita. It's been so long since we had reasonable temps, and I've just let the weeds grow! This weekend I plant an all out attack. Never in my life have I had so many weeds in my gardens. Crying
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Aug 12, 2016 12:19 PM CST

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Today is International Youth Day, so the Rose of the Day is Prairie Youth, one of those wonderful Canadian roses that will grow and bloom even in zone 2.

Name: Zuzu
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Aug 12, 2016 12:31 PM CST

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Sharlene, I'm in awe. Your Deborah x Westerland cross is so beautiful, and the way your cuttings took off and grew since March is astounding. They look so healthy! Many own-root nurseries could learn a trick or two from you.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Aug 12, 2016 1:39 PM CST
I agree. Lovely blooms are nice to have, but a healthy, vigorous plant is essential - and often forgotten, it seems.
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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Aug 12, 2016 2:23 PM CST
CindiKS said:Jana, I'm counting on that same front up here in Wichita. It's been so long since we had reasonable temps, and I've just let the weeds grow! This weekend I plant an all out attack. Never in my life have I had so many weeds in my gardens. Crying


As long as temps stay in the triple digits, the weeds can have the garden. I am not going to fight back. It's supposed to cool down next month. That's when I'll start getting the garden back in control and getting the roses ready for the fall flush and then ready for winter. For now, everything is fried ... including me !

There was a time when I just had to have a "tidy" garden. HA ! I think those days are now gone during the hot months of summer.

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Sharlene
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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sunnyvalley
Aug 12, 2016 10:57 PM CST
I don't envy all of you experiencing triple digits - right now I am sitting here with a shawl over my shoulders! Cool this morning with a bit of fog - it looks like autumn! Should reach 24C this afternoon - perfect gardening temps.

Zuzu, Neal - really appreciate your comments about my cross. Deborah X Westerland has produced quite a few interesting roses.

zuzu said: The way your cuttings took off and grew since March is astounding. They look so healthy! Many own-root nurseries could learn a trick or two from you.

No tricks - probably just lucky Big Grin I am planning to try it again with the winter prunings and see how that works.

porkpal said: Lovely blooms are nice to have, but a healthy, vigorous plant is essential - and often forgotten, it seems.

Porkpal - so true!

@gemini_sage Neal thanks for the list of roses doing well in your garden. It is a great idea to compare notes. Never heard of Nacogdoches - had to look it up - NICE Thumbs up Dortmund looks very similar to one of my NOID's - also no spots right now!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Aug 12, 2016 11:27 PM CST
"I don't envy all of you experiencing triple digits - right now I am sitting here with a shawl over my shoulders! Cool this morning with a bit of fog - it looks like autumn! Should reach 24C this afternoon - perfect gardening temps."

Next month it will start to cool down in my part of California. Zuzu says it will be HOT in her part of California. Her roses will be frying and I am hoping mine will start looking good again.

I am hoping this is the last of the triple digits and we start staying in the 90s after this week. At least I have more shade in the afternoons from the slope. It's still hot, but for some reason, the shade makes me feel like it should be cooler.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Zuzu
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Aug 15, 2016 2:50 AM CST

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Some holidays are silly, and this is one of them. Today is, of all things, National Lemon Meringue Day, so the Rose of the Day is Lemon Meringue, of course.



It's technically a shrub, but it's usually grown as a climber. Mine climbs to about 12 feet tall and is bushier than most climbers, similar to Westerland and Autumn Sunset, another couple of shrubs that usually are grown as climbers.
Name: Sharlene
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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sunnyvalley
Aug 15, 2016 4:04 AM CST
Oh - what I would do for a slice of Lemon Meringue Pie!! All soft and gooey!
The rose is beautiful too - sort of soft looking (not gooey) - does it have a lemony scent as the name suggest?
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Aug 15, 2016 6:31 AM CST
It seems like the classifications are getting kind of blurred these days. Some of the Kordes floribundas I'm growing display habits more like small climbers or arching shrubs, and Sunny Sky is classified as a hybrid tea but behaves more like a small climber or shrub.

Zuzu, since I've been taking note of the plants with best black spot resistance I've also been seeing plants I'd listed succumb to BS symptoms. None of them have completely defoliated like the worst cases, but as this muggy weather continues even some of the most resistant varieties are now showing spots.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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csandt
Aug 15, 2016 9:15 AM CST
gemini_sage said:Zuzu, since I've been taking note of the plants with best black spot resistance I've also been seeing plants I'd listed succumb to BS symptoms. None of them have completely defoliated like the worst cases, but as this muggy weather continues even some of the most resistant varieties are now showing spots.


Blackspot doesn't seem to know that there are now roses growing in my garden, and my roses are completely free of disease. They are all Kordes Hybrid teas: 3 Savannah, 2 Dark Desire, 2 Wedding Bells and 1 Beverly. Disease resistance ratings (according to Peter Kukielski in "Roses without chemicals: 150 disease-free varieties that will change the way you grow roses") for these cultivars are 60/60 for Savannah, 55/60 for Dark Desire, 60/60 for Wedding Bells and 54/60 for Beverly.

In addition to disease resistance, Savannah stands out for its wonderful fragrance and for continuing to produce pretty flowers during our current heatwave. The heatwave seems to have adversely affected the appearance of the flowers of Dark Desire and Savannah, although both were beautiful before the heatwave. Beverly has not been blooming during the heatwave but was also beautiful before.
Carol H. Sandt

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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Aug 15, 2016 11:17 AM CST
Just a reminder ...

There are multiple races of black spot. The are not all active in all parts of the world. Nor are they all active in all parts of the US. Those that are active in your garden may not be active in another garden. So, when you read that a rose is very susceptible to black spot, check to see where it was being grown before you decide to pass on the rose. It may be very clean in your garden.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Aug 15, 2016 1:26 PM CST
That's a good point Lyn Thumbs up And resistance doesn't mean immunity, so if perfect blackspot conditions prevail for a prolonged period of time, even the most resistant varieties are likely to show symptoms.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Sharlene
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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sunnyvalley
Aug 15, 2016 1:46 PM CST
I think you are right about that Neal - as I said some more, some less. I mentioned previously that Samaritan, Christopher Columbus and La Rose du Petit Prince are absolutely clean. Well on inspection today, Christopher has one or two leaves with spots - still excellent in comparison to some - the other two are still clean.

Thought I would share some of today's prettiest blooms ...

Paul Ricard - Honey Dijon - Edgar Degas (I hardly ever see the stripes) - Samaritan
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Cumba Meillandina (beautiful little rose but very spotty) - Blue Girl (just gorgeous) - King's Macc (can only recommend) - Lavender Ice
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This is a NOID florist rose which I manage to root - cutting stuck in January this year and this is the first bloom of the second flush.
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One of my own rose from 2014 - another cross Deborah X Westerland. A sibling of the one posted a couple of days ago.
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Hope you enjoy Smiling



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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
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gemini_sage
Aug 15, 2016 2:13 PM CST
Drool worthy photos Sharlene! Lovey dubby

While the heat and humidity are challenging for a lot of my roses, they have certainly enjoyed the plentiful rainfall we've had this summer. The Japanese beetle activity seems to be tapering off a bit and I'm getting to see more decent looking blooms. Hurray!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
Aug 15, 2016 2:22 PM CST
Red Riding Hood is putting on a fantastic show considering how hot it has been.
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"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
Aug 15, 2016 2:31 PM CST
Out of Rosenheim has performed beautifully! Some fading in the sun, but still lovely Lovey dubby
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"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Aug 15, 2016 3:56 PM CST
gemini_sage said:That's a good point Lyn Thumbs up And resistance doesn't mean immunity, so if perfect blackspot conditions prevail for a prolonged period of time, even the most resistant varieties are likely to show symptoms.


Neal ... that's not necessarily true. I think this is the one time I can honestly say it doesn't depend on the rose ... Smiling

I have some roses that are always completely clean in my garden while others will get black spot in the spring. 'Sequoia Gold' is one, which I have posted photos of on this forum. A friend in Michigan says the rose completely defoliates for her in her garden while the roses that get black spot for me are clean in her garden. The only conclusion we can come up with is that we have different races of black spot in our gardens.

In the Earthkind trials, they have had the same kind of results. A rose will be susceptible in one test garden, but clean in another. This is even true for old garden roses. Some roses are susceptible to only one race of black spot while others are susceptible to two or more races.

That's why it is so hard to determine if a rose will be diseased in your garden.

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.

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