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Name: pam
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gardenglory
Aug 13, 2016 6:30 PM CST
Somebodies ears burning Whistling Big Grin . Hey, I was livin large for about 5 minutes at least.
Name: Steve Todd
Illinois (Zone 5b)
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Ahead
Aug 13, 2016 6:53 PM CST
:rofl:

Nobody can take those 5 minutes away from you, Pam!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Aug 14, 2016 10:06 AM CST
Wow! I can't believe that someone on the LA is doing that. That might discourage business on the LA. Seriously. I wonder what Mike L would think? I wonder if he knows that is happening? It's one thing to get in a bidding war over a specific item listed on an auction, but it's another for someone to appear to maliciously go after you by bidding against you on every auctions just because you bid on something they want. I think that may become a real problem for the LA. I don't feel that is right. It's stalking and undermining an LA bidder. If this person is doing this to a lot of members of the LA, that is a problem in my humble opinion.

Can you hide your bidder name (from other bidders) on the LA? I personally take no offense against anyone bidding against me. But I WOULD take offense to someone pulling the stunt of going to all the auctions I am bidding on and bidding against me just to spite me. Thumbs down Thumbs down Thumbs down Thumbs down
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Aug 14, 2016 12:13 PM CST
Spite-bidding has been going on as long as auctions themselves, and while it's petty and immature, it's technically "legal" in the auction world.

I don't think it occurs often enough to warrant anything other than case-by-case action, if any action needs to be taken at all. After all, it's an auction, and if someone really wants to buy every item on there, before anyone else gets a shot at it, that's pretty much the nature of the beast. They're paying their money, and receiving seeds or plants for it, and that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Even if they throw away the seeds, they still paid for them, and are free to do with them as they wish. In a grudge situation, chances are that the offending party will eventually tire of the head games.

I pay attention to the users who I'm bidding against for a different reason, so that I know who not to bid against, either because they're persistent and competitive, wealthy, because they're overseas and taking advantage of the exchange rate, or, in the worst case, all three. Big Grin

There are also users I tend not to bid against because they're friends. There are many strategies involved in the auction "game", all made possible because user names are not masked.

"Anonymizing" the bid process exposes the system to much worse problems, such as shilling, which is something I'm 99.9% happened to me once on the Lily Auction.

Shilling can take place via a second, "fake" L/A user name, or simply by having bids run up by a conspirator. Site management doesn't really have the time or means to detect it, so usually, the way it's noticed is if the "victim" figures it out. If bids were anonymous, it would be even more difficult to tell if it were happening.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Aug 14, 2016 12:39 PM CST
So you are saying that if someone (bidder A) is targeting another bidder (bidder B) simply because that bidder (B) bid against them (A) on an auction item they both wanted, bidder A can intimidate bidder B (or any other bidder) and run them off by going after and winning ALL auctions that the target bidder (B) is bidding on? So basically, the offending party eventually runs the show, keeps others from bidding against them (thus keeping the price of the auctions they bid on lower), and all other bidders eventually quit the auction because they get tired of being targeted and unable to win any auctions?

Obviously the offending bidder (A) has money to do that. Whereas, many other bidders may not. So the offending bidder always wins? I don't know about anyone else here, but that would discourage me from using the LA or any other auction site where that might be going on. To me that is retaliation against ANY BIDDER bidding against bidder A (who has the money to dominate the auction site).
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Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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gardenglory
Aug 14, 2016 1:14 PM CST
I dont know if anyone remembers Prettypony. Talk about someone who was unstopable. Very irritating. Turned out to be a dentist, and left many many sellers high and dry. Those were the days tho, miss so many of those people that were on DG back then. Onward and upward.
Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 14, 2016 1:15 PM CST
hi all!

I've been very busy with getting my allotment ready (I'll post some photo's somewhere next week Hilarious! ), so I was away from my pc most of the time.

I agree @touchofsky Valerie: this sounds like stalking.. Sad That person probably thinks he/she is The Red Queen and that you're Alice Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

@scflowers , Regina this are the crosses Judy sent me Lovey dubby

ECHO CANYON x APACHE BEACON
PINK ENCHILADA x FRILLY BLISS
MARKED BY LYDIA x COTTON CANDY CRIMPER
HOME RUN KING x ELECTRIC LIZARD (gift)

Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby

I bought quite some seeds on the LA last year, of which I sowed a couple hundred last year and some more this year Thumbs up

The joy of sowing, planting, nurtering and waiting for them to flower is worth whatever I paid for them Lovey dubby

Yes, when I look at what is offered on the LA I sometimes can't help myself and bid (even although I have more than enough seeds still! Whistling Rolling on the floor laughing )

Judy is offering more and more beauties that are impossible to resist (the ones I got are prepped to sprout Thumbs up )
I would LOVE some of the seeds Fred offers, with their wonderful patterns! (too bad he isn't able to mail to Europe Crying )
I see that Steve is offering wonderful crosses again, with watermarks that are to die for... (the seedlings form the ones I bought last year are in the ground since this week! Lovey dubby )
And all the others.... sigh.. LOL! nodding

But life would be very dull without DL seeds and instutions like the LA, wouldn't it? Hilarious!

Mayo

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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
Region: Louisiana Daylilies Tropicals Region: Gulf Coast Hybridizer Seller of Garden Stuff
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judydu2
Aug 14, 2016 2:38 PM CST
Mayo62 said:
@scflowers , Regina this are the crosses Judy sent me Lovey dubby

ECHO CANYON x APACHE BEACON
PINK ENCHILADA x FRILLY BLISS
MARKED BY LYDIA x COTTON CANDY CRIMPER
HOME RUN KING x ELECTRIC LIZARD (gift)

Judy is offering more and more beauties that are impossible to resist (the ones I got are prepped to sprout Thumbs up )
Mayo


Thank you! I appreciate the compliment...but my auctions that end this evening are the last I will be listing on the Lilyauction. I am pretty much sold out for the year and these will bring my 2016 season to a close.

I thought maybe others might like to see photos of the parents used for the seeds you won:

'Echo Canyon' (Roberts-N., 2004)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/783bb1

'Apache Beacon' (Roberts-N., 2005)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/d4dd9b

'Pink Enchilada' (Roberts-N., 2005)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/c0a284

'Frilly Bliss' (Joiner-J., 1998)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/ffbcb5

'Marked by Lydia' (Temple, 1994)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/0d34cc

'Cotton Candy Crimper' (Arsenault, 2006)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/8a9a65

'Home Run King' (Carpenter-J., 2009)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/3a6c1a

'Electric Lizard' (Gossard, 2006)
Thumb of 2016-08-14/judydu2/da0495

Diploid spiders and UFs are some of my favorite forms. Of my fourteen raised beds, four are dedicated to them. I'm always happy to see others that share my fondness for them. Smiling

Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 14, 2016 2:44 PM CST
judydu2 said:Diploid spiders and UFs are some of my favorite forms. Of my fourteen raised beds, four are dedicated to them. I'm always happy to see others that share my fondness for them. Smiling


With parents like these I'm sure my seeds will grow into beautifull DL's Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby


Mayo
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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
Aug 14, 2016 2:56 PM CST
I never considered that one bidder will outbid another for spite. I have had it happen to me, and often enough, but I assumed it was because their interests mirrored mine and in an offhand way, was a great compliment to my choices. But the bottom line is, if anyone is willing to spend more $$ than I am, then more power to them....and to the seller. After all, it is an auction and who ever wants to pay the most - wins.

Mike Longo does not and never has allowed shill bidding. He has a program in place to detect IP addresses and multiple ids from the same address are not allowed. That's not to say that if someone wanted to try to "rig the system", they probably could, but they would have to go to some effort to do so. Should you suspect shill bidding, you are asked to report it, so that it can be checked out. If Mike or one of his administrators finds evidence that shill bidding has taken place, the ids are banned and no further ids will be allowed from those IP addresses. Please report any suspected illegal activity. Mike tries his best to make bidding and selling safe and secure for everyone using his auction site.
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Name: Steve Todd
Illinois (Zone 5b)
Region: Illinois Plant and/or Seed Trader Daylilies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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Ahead
Aug 14, 2016 5:42 PM CST
Ken is correct. It has gone on until the end of time.

When I started bid in the late 90s, I was very aggressive with the plants I really wanted...and made a few people mad. One guy started targeting my bids. Everything I bid on he raised me. He studied my bidding...and on the first few items I paid dearly. So I started to get smart. First I bid on a number of things I didn't want and let him win about ten items for a huge price. So he became more cautious, and would only bump me up just under my max bid. I told you...he studied my bidding. So then I started lowering my max bid, so instead of bumping me just under my max, he started going over time and time again. Eventually, he gave up, because I was costing him well over $1000.

Some folks are immature. There are ways to make them pay.
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Aug 14, 2016 8:38 PM CST
Steve - That is pretty smart! That's one way to outsmart someone targeting you on an auction site. Though some people seem to have an endless amount of money to spend and don't care. So far, I can honestly say I've not yet been targeted by anyone on the LA. I hope it never happens either. But if I was, I'd probably let Mike Longo know. To me that is bullying when someone targets you by bidding on everything that that you are bidding to make sure that you don't win any auctions.

I see some seed auctions on there right now that are ridiculously high. The highest one currently is 4 seeds for $162.00. That is $40.50 per seed. And that one doesn't end for 5 more days!!! There is another one for 4 seeds for $105.00. As I looked through that particular sellers seed listings, I saw quite a few high bids! Boy! There are some serious high rollers on the auction lately. It is interesting to watch, because I certainly can't bid on any of them! Blinking Blinking Blinking Sticking tongue out
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Name: Steve Todd
Illinois (Zone 5b)
Region: Illinois Plant and/or Seed Trader Daylilies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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Ahead
Aug 14, 2016 9:08 PM CST
"Ridiculously" is such a harsh word...lol. I like "refreshingly" or "inspirationally" much better!! I won't see those kind of numbers, but they are fun to watch....and Rich has earned every penny. I think the auction has something for just about everybody. Whatever floats your boat.
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Aug 15, 2016 5:36 AM CST
I had a guy from Poland bid on my auctions once to the tune of about $60 and then I couldn't get payment from him. Mike L told me to block him from ever bidding again so I did. About a month later I get another guy from Poland, with a different username, bidding on my auctions. Guess what, it was the same guy. This time he did pay though. I informed Mike L about this guy with another username and he was surprised and said he would look into it. I didn't hear any more about him from Mike.
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Aug 15, 2016 7:36 PM CST
I'm getting the impression that the current restrictions on EU imports might have something to do with the amazing bids we're seeing on daylily seeds.
Name: Steve Todd
Illinois (Zone 5b)
Region: Illinois Plant and/or Seed Trader Daylilies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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Ahead
Aug 15, 2016 8:51 PM CST
And the very deep pockets, Ken...lol.
Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 16, 2016 2:33 AM CST
CaliFlowers said:I'm getting the impression that the current restrictions on EU imports might have something to do with the amazing bids we're seeing on daylily seeds.



I think you have a point there.. Whistling


Hilarious!
Mayo

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Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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gardenglory
Aug 16, 2016 7:16 AM CST
It has everything to do with it, well IMO. I refuse to bid against him/them. What is interesting, is how many times more is paid for a cross, than if they had bought two plants. Now the Europe restrictions stop that, you gotta make the plant basically.
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Aug 16, 2016 3:33 PM CST
Hmmmm ..... I had not thought of that reason. That would make sense then why some of those auctions go so high! The amount of money spent boggles my mind. Blinking Blinking Blinking
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Aug 17, 2016 2:29 PM CST
Attention everyone please!
I just want to inform you that I placed my very first bid on LA and surely I made something idiot, so if I break someone's balls please be patient and let me know! Hilarious! Thank You!
Sabrina, North Italy
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