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Oct 16, 2011 3:22 PM CST
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Is there a difference between Specie Tulip and Species Tulip? Is either OK as a common name?

Greigii Tulip: Species and/or group?
Batalinii Tulip: Cultivar Group?

We have: Tulipa x greigii 'Red Riding Hood'.
Mobot has Tulipa 'Red Riding Hood', syn. Tulipa greigii 'Red Riding Hood', Tulipa 'Roodkapje'.

Is RRH a Spec X? Double RRH?

Laughs acceptable.
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Oct 16, 2011 3:32 PM CST
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We should get Catherine to help us on the Tulip part of the database. She is so knowledgeable in that field.
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Oct 16, 2011 5:46 PM CST
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Tulip is the common name.

greigii is a species name as is batalinii and I think the x greigii means a hybrid cross of that species. Many places, as you see, list the species a bit differently.

The problem I am seeing in many of the genus listings here at ATP is that some entries have just the cultivar name and some have the species name and that same cultivar name so now there are two entries for the same plant. When you add a species name, it drops the plant toward the bottom of the alphabetical listing so often someone comes in to search in a particular letter, say for instance the letter R for 'Red Riding Hood. They go down the list, don't see it where they expect to see it in alphabetical order so they make a new entry. Had they gone further down the list, past the letter Z where the species are now alphabetically listed, they would have seen the entry the wanted listed as Tulip (Tulipa greigii 'Red Riding Hood'. Personally, I like the list cleaner with simply the cultivar names but I do think eventually Dave will iron out the cultivar duplicates somehow. I also personally do my searches now by cultivar name unless of course they are a species. Blinking
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Oct 16, 2011 6:08 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
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Yes, as Sue said both gregii and battalinii are the species names. I do my searches by genus and cultivar, as if you do it for something with a common name like Lilac as the cultivar, you're going to get a lot of hits from all over the plant kingdom.

For Tulipa battalinii Bronze Charm for ex.

Tulipa is the genus
Tulip the common
battalinii the species
Bronze Charm is the cultivar

I think species is the only correct way to say it, not specie.
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Oct 16, 2011 7:21 PM CST
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I'm seeing Specie Tulip far more frequently than Species Tulip. I'm assuming it's a description specific to Tulipa. Also Botanical Tulip.

So Greigii Group or Battalinii Group is again a description specific to Tulipa simply using the species name to identify it's cultivars.

With 'Red Riding Hood' a cultivar greigii, why use the x?
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Oct 16, 2011 7:47 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
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Geeze Evan, LOL. You're taxing my brain.

Google species and specie tulip, and I think you'll find species is used more commonly. Where are you seeing specie tulip used a lot?

Yes, to your second statement.

My understanding: It used to be we used the x to indicate that the plant, even a cultivar, was of hybrid origins and now we use single quotes before and after the cultivar name instead.
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Oct 16, 2011 8:12 PM CST
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Sounds good. Thanks for the clarification on the x before the species.

Google - "specie" tulip -. Instead of being cranky I should have said I'm talking about the little Tulips like Clusiana. It seems to describe small species but there may be something more to it. I first saw the term on Tulip Violacea Pallida up at Smith during the annual Spring bulb show 3 or 4 years ago. Also on some Crocus, I think. Some of the folk use "Botanical" for tulips like greigii,... while others use "Specie".

Here's what really gets me:
Tulip Violacea Pallida
Latin Name: Tulipa humilis
Common Name: Specie Tulip
at van B http://www.dutchbulbs.com/stor...

Why not Tulipa humilis "Violacea Pallida"

I think Tulips have been bred wayyy too long!
Evan
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Oct 16, 2011 8:21 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
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I think species is correct and specie is not, but maybe we could get an expert to weigh in.

I see what you mean. Van B is always confusing me, though.
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Oct 16, 2011 8:23 PM CST
Name: Lynn
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Oct 16, 2011 8:29 PM CST
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Lynn, that's perfect. Thanks. And Polly thanks for putting up with the babbling.
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Oct 16, 2011 8:33 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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Ah, interesting conversation, Evan.
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