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Sep 4, 2016 9:30 PM CST
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Wow, those are much more active moles than any I've ever seen.

The holes on the sides of the container should be very close to the bottom. They'll be there only to serve as "bottom" holes if the holes at the very bottom get clogged by roots. You won't need any holes higher up for the feeder roots. Feeder roots are quite fine and won't clog up anything.
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Sep 4, 2016 11:26 PM CST
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just my location
different types of soil etc
just lucky I guess
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Sep 4, 2016 11:47 PM CST
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Tisha, I'm going to move this thread over to the Rose Forum just in case anyone there has something to add.
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Sep 5, 2016 6:29 AM CST
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58 degrees this morning
this project has unanswered guestions pending
and more to be asked
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Sep 6, 2016 9:56 AM CST
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Tisha, have you considered growing the roses in large pots above ground? I think that would be much less work. You can buy a plant caddy like this to move the rose closer to the house in winter:

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Sep 6, 2016 1:07 PM CST
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what about winterizing the plants?
I thought they needed to be protected from freezing
I need to find out about how to know when the roses are dormant enough to transplant and winterizing technics
heard somewhere about `trenching` roses in windy cold climates
it would really be great if I don`t need to protect them
I could buy alot Hurray! more beauties if I don`t have more maintenance
the containers I have are 10 gal. Rubbermaid plastic trash tubs
14"diameter x 17"deep
some are grey and some are dark green
not patio pot attractive but still blend in naturally I think
still.....dormant transplanting and freezing to death
Thank You! for hanging in and still trying to help
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Sep 7, 2016 4:44 PM CST
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Do you have any sort of garage or shed you can move them into? Hybrid tea roses are a little more tender than shrubs or most floribundas....usually. Sure would be easier to plant them in the trash cans and just bring them in rather than digging deep holes!
Unless someone else is doing the digging Whistling
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Sep 8, 2016 1:06 PM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
Tisha said:what about winterizing the plants?
I thought they needed to be protected from freezing
I need to find out about how to know when the roses are dormant enough to transplant and winterizing technics
heard somewhere about `trenching` roses in windy cold climates
it would really be great if I don`t need to protect them
I could buy alot Hurray! more beauties if I don`t have more maintenance
the containers I have are 10 gal. Rubbermaid plastic trash tubs
14"diameter x 17"deep
some are grey and some are dark green
not patio pot attractive but still blend in naturally I think
still.....dormant transplanting and freezing to death
Thank You! for hanging in and still trying to help


I have moved many roses, tubbed only temp. but if you lose the tap root and the other roots cannot move freely I would not wager much money on you not losing some.
You are correct about winterizing.
Plastic and a freeze kills which is why you are never to .cover plants with plastic if a freeze occurs.
Plastic against the roots will probably be the same.
I would not do this in the fall but in the spring and you probably should have used much larger tubs so they could breathe better and yes plants breathe underground.
You will need to cover the tops HEAVILY in case you get a truly hard freeze.
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Sep 10, 2016 2:36 PM CST
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I went back and read over the thread
I messed up
I asked two questions
sorry `bout that
in answer to your questions
mole infestation
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roses are 14 -16 yrs old
most roses 12 inches tall
no trees near by
full sun dawn till 7-8 pm
UPP 1 [useful piece of puzzle] WAIT TILL DORMANT
history; I planted `em, fertilized,watered, winterized
fallowing spring they were pitiful but still bloomed
I fertilized, watered, winterized,
spring they were pitifully still there, eeked out some blooms.
problems; they don`t grow.
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Sep 10, 2016 3:24 PM CST
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answers to your questions continued;
mole infestation
UPP2; yes it can work.
no gophers in ohio, woodchucks/groundhogs are a pain.
I`m not moving,not putting plts into a grn.hse., not soil problem.UPP3, planting technique.I can sink pots into any soil type, got `em all, hi water, lo water, sand, clay,rich organic humus. all on my lot.If water table is hi, water will level off to it`s surrounding level filling the container no matter where the holes are. Heavy clay drains much slower if at all. Technique solves that problem.UPP4; Feeder roots near top need to spread, anchor roots on bottom size [need to be considered]. Size of holes matter. Here is where my post appears. After that ......

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Sep 10, 2016 3:27 PM CST
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Sep 10, 2016 3:57 PM CST
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I`d really need to get on with the project, transplanting the roses from in ground to inside the inground 10gal. plastic tubs before the ground freezes. Actually before the plants should be winterized, which I also have questions about.
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Sep 10, 2016 8:02 PM CST
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zuzu, thank you for the edit. I don`t know to edit yet. I`ll keep trying. May have some help in a few days. Crossing Fingers!
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Sep 10, 2016 8:11 PM CST
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Tisha, roses that are 14-16 years old certainly should be taller than 12 inches by now, unless they're roses that aren't appropriate for your zone and consequently die back each winter and struggle to come back each spring.

I think you should go ahead with your project. Make sure your containers have sufficient holes for drainage and get those roses into the containers before it gets too cold. I'll leave the winterizing advice to someone else because I've never gardened anywhere but zone 9.
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Sep 12, 2016 3:28 PM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
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What do you do in winter to winterize and how cold does it get there on average?

I grow Hybrid Tea roses in Mn and have lost more either moving them or due to careless or too early uncovering in the year than any other reason.
By careless I mean I have found that rough handling, including breaking of branches, seems to affect the whole plant, not just the part damaged.
I uncovered a very healthy one this spring and did not watch my step breaking a main branch. Even though the others were all a healthy green the rose died back to a stump and took a long time before it started growing again.

If the roots do not like or accept the new location, they will go belly up.
The tap root is vital for long life.
I have been dealing with roses for decades and even the ones that get sickly are over 12 inches high, unless you mean you trimmed them that low.
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Oct 9, 2016 5:02 PM CST
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38 degrees this morning. Earily this summer, on my hands and knees, I dug under the bushes to collapse as many tunnels as possible. Since then all the plants have done great, the best in years. Lots of growth and blooms Hurray! . Still small and weak, but much better overall since the excavation.

I`m in zone 5b. My roses are zoned 3-10, 4-9, and 5-9. Is that a problem? The average lows are
Dec. 22 degrees
Jan. 16 "
Feb. 18 "
Mar. 27 "
I don`t know when or how to winterize.
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That's good news. Sounds like your digging paid off.

If all of your roses are hardy to zone 5 and under, you shouldn't need to do any special winterizing.

The average lows are irrelevant, by the way. You should be looking for the "lowest lows" in those months.
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Oct 9, 2016 5:25 PM CST
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Last year I placed a protective 20"h x 20"d ring around the plt., then filled it up to 16" with clean garden dirt.
In spring I use the shower wand to rinse the soil away over a couple of weeks according to weather conditions, using the dirt for the water well away from the stem.
Other than trenching them, I don`t think I can do that, any other methods or suggestions? *Blush*
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Oct 11, 2016 6:42 AM CST
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I`ll look up the "lowest lows".
I`m looking at the rose `Olivia Rose Austin`, the zoning information is conflicting. The seller [Regan] says zone 6, the rose data base say`s 5 in one section and 5b in another. Don`t know which to rely on. Does own-root or grafted have anything to do with it? Confused
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Oct 11, 2016 11:18 AM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
If you are covering your roses with dirt, that is good winterization and should be enough for your area but only protects the part covered.
I now bury my roses but as it gets sub-zero here I also cover them with leaves in November. Because I bury them I now have some roses feet tall as I used to have to trm them down to twelve to sixteen inches to cover them with leaves.
I grew Austin roses and did not winterize them as I did my Hybrid Teas and within a few years they all died.

Beware of so called cold hardy roses, often that is wishful thinking.
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