Roses forum: Palatine roses for 2016/2017 season

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Name: Zuzu
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Sep 5, 2016 4:21 PM CST

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Palatine is still updating its site, but it has added some nice new roses for this year already.

https://palatineroses.com/roses

I have my eye on Earth Angel and Quick Silver.

Please note that they're spelling Quick Silver as one word, but Quicksilver is a 1985 Christensen hybrid tea. The one I want is the Kordes climber called Quick Silver on every other site, and that does appear to be the one Palatine is offering.

Earth Angel looks just like Pompon Flower Circus, which is no longer being sold on this continent. Earth Angel was hybridized the same year (2003) as Pompon Flower Circus, and by the same hybridizer. Suspicious or just a sister seedling?

Name: Shannon
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Sep 5, 2016 4:26 PM CST
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Sep 5, 2016 4:55 PM CST
Indeed! Zuzu's photo looks like a fine painting.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Sep 5, 2016 11:39 PM CST

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Here's my tentative list
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Crazy Love
Earth Angel
Garden Delight
Handel
Le Petit Prince
Malicorne
Plum Perfect
Quick Silver
Sunset Dreams

I like to order nine roses because the shipping cost is the same for 3-9 roses.
Name: Cindi
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Sep 6, 2016 9:11 AM CST



Sunset Dreams in my garden. I highly recommend this rose! It stayed clean all summer.
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Name: Trish
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Trish
Sep 6, 2016 9:13 AM CST

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I have some holes to fill this year, myself.
Should I wait for the sale, Zuzu? When is it?
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Sep 6, 2016 9:45 AM CST
Trish, it's not really a sale, it's just the day that Palatine starts taking orders for this fall and next spring. Mark your calendar....September 12!
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Name: Zuzu
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Sep 6, 2016 3:52 PM CST

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Cindi's right, Trish. The shopping cart will open at 9:00 EST on September 12th. Many roses sell out in the first few minutes, so it's good to make a shopping list in advance.

My own list probably will be revised. The site's still being updated. Papi Delbard has just been added (although it's misspelled Papi Delbart), so it might take the place of Malicorne on my list. I already have one Papi Delbard, but it's a runty own-root rose that hardly ever blooms, so I'd like to replace it with a grafted rose.
Name: Trish
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Trish
Sep 6, 2016 6:55 PM CST

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Ahhh- thanks for jogging my memory, ladies!
I've only ordered from them once, and it's been 2-3 years ago, so I had completely forgotten the process!

Off to start a list!
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Cinta
Sep 7, 2016 4:20 PM CST
I see they use multiflora rootstock. Is that better than
huey for cold climates or just good for Ca. ?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Sep 7, 2016 4:32 PM CST

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I think it will be fine for you. Palatine grows these roses in the fields, and it's in Ontario, which is either zone 5 or zone 6. You're in zone 6, so you should be able to buy any of the roses offered by Palatine without fear.
Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Sep 7, 2016 6:53 PM CST
I still have one rose growing from them (or the other one who's name I forgot) and it's doing stellar on one cane. It's a Penny Lane climbing rose, it needs a military style haircut desperately but that won't happen by my hands, and is just gorgeous when in bloom which is whenever I manage to get down to her spot and deadhead her. Thumbs up
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Cinta
Sep 7, 2016 7:55 PM CST
zuzu said:I think it will be fine for you. Palatine grows these roses in the fields, and it's in Ontario, which is either zone 5 or zone 6. You're in zone 6, so you should be able to buy any of the roses offered by Palatine without fear.


Thank you.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Sep 7, 2016 9:30 PM CST
Cinta said:I see they use multiflora rootstock. Is that better than
huey for cold climates or just good for Ca. ?


Cinta ... Huey is cold hardy to zone 6.

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Sep 8, 2016 6:38 AM CST
Huey is used in zone 5 too. My mom buys and grows many of the same roses I grow (we shop together and enable one another Angel ) and she's in the Kansas City area, zone 5.
Also, she grows them better than I do, maybe because they get more rain. I can tell you that she does not winter protect, unless some leaves just happen to blow up under the roses. She may have a warming affect by being in a neighborhood where I'm exposed out in the country.
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Name: Cindi
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Sep 8, 2016 8:23 AM CST
There is a new red floribunda listed that Palatine is calling 'Bordeaux Citiscape'. After some searching, I found it here:
http://www.worldrose.org/trials/2013/geneva/geneva9.asp
It looks like a really good replacement for Knock Out roses.
I do not recall seeing this one in Germany at the Kordes nursery. Many of my photos are all now on Google...took 16 GB to upload all from my phone. I'll try to figure out how to sort them and make it all public, because I took photos of every rose they had. I still have some on the tablet to upload, but I need to find free wifi to do that.
Crying It cost me $90 to upload those because I went over my 18GB limit. Sprint would not let me increase my plan. Those of you who have fast cheap internet, consider yourselves lucky. D'Oh!
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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Sep 8, 2016 10:03 AM CST
Huey is hardier than most people realize. I'm out in the country here also and have 2 of them that need to be killed before winter hits. Only way to kill a Dr. Huey rose around here is a brush killer on the stems. I have learned my lesson with them so now go straight for own root roses here so if they die back to the roots I have the same rose coming back.
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Sep 8, 2016 10:16 AM CST
Here's Soeur Emmanuelle


And Pink Martini



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And Pomponella Fairy Tale
Last photo taken minutes after a three-inch downpour! So grateful for rain!


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H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
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Cinta
Sep 8, 2016 11:54 PM CST

i did not want to hijack the topic but what 'I was trying to do was figure out if multiflora was a better rootstock for roses for my climate. I have not had much luck. I have said many times zone does not tell the entire story. We do not get a steady cold but a lot of freeze and thaw. 40s to 50s for a few days and rain, rain rain.....then temps drop to below freezing and the plants are in a block of ice and no snow cover.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Sep 9, 2016 8:12 AM CST
Cinta ...

One way you can find out is that you can do a search to find out if multiflora roses grow wild in your part of the state. There has been a lot of work done to eradicate them as a weed plant because they host the mite that spreads RRD and are being monitored closely.

Checking with your county extension to see if they are listed as a noxious weed is one way to find out. The multiflora root stock will not spread and become a weed nor will it make the rose more susceptible to RRD than any other rose, but if the multiflora rose is listed as a weed in your county, that tells you that the root stock will do fine in your climate.

From what I have read, and, no, I do not have personal experience, you should not have any problems, but it only takes a few minutes to do a bit more research.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.

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