Orchids forum: NOID Cymbidiums

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Name: Joshua
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Australis
Sep 11, 2016 3:23 AM CST
Hi all,

I couldn't find a thread on noids and the previous Cymbidium thread (The thread "Cymbidiums - Impressive Orchids for the House and Garden" in Orchids forum) hasn't been touched in 5+ years, so I thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread for NOID Cymbidiums (as I have been given a few and I'm sure others have NOIDs that it may be possible to identify) (mods - please let me know if you'd prefer something else).

The first one to bloom is this one I just received from my grandmother (apologies for the snail damage - she's had a lot of issues with snails this year - only one bloom was unaffected):

Thumb of 2016-09-11/Australis/238708

According to my grandmother, it is over 40 years old, so I doubt it can be identified. However, it never hurts to ask - hopefully somebody is familiar with it!

I will hopefully have another two to post in a few weeks when a few more (from the other side of the family) bloom (not to mention the large number that my mother-in-law has that she'd like to try getting IDs for).

Kind Regards,
Joshua.
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Name: lindsey
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sugarcane
Sep 11, 2016 6:54 AM CST
Hi Joshua!
Group hug Welcome to our happy group!
I wish I could help you ID your gorgeous flower, but maybe one of our other members can..
Failing that, there is another community that a few of us belong to...Its on FaceBook and is
called 'The Crazy Orchid Lady'. One of her members lives in Australia and grows an ASTOUNDING
number of Cymbidium. If you are not a Facebook member I can try and copy your photo and post
it there for you?
lindsey
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 11, 2016 7:21 AM CST
Hi Lindsey,

Thanks for the welcome! I've briefly looked in from time to time but now that I've been given a few cymbidiums I guess I'll be here a bit more. I'm usually over on the Lilium forum.

I'm afraid I don't have Facebook (I'm a bit wary of all those social media sites), so if you're able to share that, that would be much appreciated, thanks!
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Sep 11, 2016 7:52 AM CST

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Hi, Joshua
If this were me, I would comb through this tremendous list of Cymbidiums at the Santa Barbara Orchid website.
http://www.sborchid.com/masterlist.php?genusname=Cymbidium

Btw, as Lindsey mentions this group, the 'Crazy Orchid Lady' is a so called "closed group" on Fb. Which means nobody else can see what you post there, only those who are part of the group.
Name: lindsey
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sugarcane
Sep 11, 2016 3:46 PM CST
And I just heard back that he did not recognize your flower...so sorry.
lindsey
Name: Joshua
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Australis
Sep 11, 2016 9:29 PM CST
Hi @Ursula,

Thanks for the suggestion. I had a look there and unfortunately can't find a match for my grandmother's orchid. There are a few that are similar, but nothing that is the same.

@sugarcane - Thanks for checking for me, Lindsey.

Hopefully somebody else might recognise it, but as I said initially, I doubt it can be identified.
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 17, 2016 5:27 AM CST
Well, given the lack of replies, I'm guessing my grandmother's white cymbidium will remain unidentified.

The first of my mother-in-law's is blooming - does anyone recognise this one? I have no idea of its history and I can't find a match on the SBOE website.

Thumb of 2016-09-17/Australis/88c47a

Thanks.
Name: Paul
Nullawarre, Victoria,Australia (Zone 10b)
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vanozzi
Sep 17, 2016 6:04 AM CST
G'day Josh,aren't you lucky? I think your first image posted is Cymbidium Alexanderi 'Westonbirt'.

If so, it is considered by most that this is the most famous of all cymbidiums as a foundation for modern cultivars.It is the first chance tetraploid and is about 100 years old now.The crossing is known as cym. Alexanderi and this is a selection.The parents are Cym. Eburneo-lowianum ‘Concolour’ with Cymbidium insigne ‘Sanderae’.

Of course I could be wrong!!
Different latitudes, different attitudes
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 17, 2016 6:21 AM CST
Hi Paul,

Thanks for the suggestion - I've just looked this one up. I can't be sure from the photos a quick online returns that it is the same one, but it definitely looks similar! If it weren't for the comment at http://orchids.wikia.com/wiki/Cymbidium_Alexanderi that only two of the original cross are thought to survive, I'd have guessed that it might be a sibling, as I assume mine would be too old to be "remake".

That said... this blog entry I just found (http://cmausteller.blogspot.com.au/2008/10/cymbidium-alexand...) suggests that it would have been in Australia when my grandmother obtained it (I'll have to ask her if she remembers where and how). I'll try contacting the blog author to see if he thinks my grandmother's orchid resembles his.

Kind Regards,
Joshua.
Name: Elaine
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dyzzypyxxy
Sep 17, 2016 3:01 PM CST
Not ignoring you, Joshua but don't forget it is approaching fall here and we haven't seen our Cyms for 6 months. I have to hide mine in the shade (aka jungle) of my back yard in the summertime to avoid sun burn.

I have a few but none that look like your pretty NOIDs.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 17, 2016 5:56 PM CST
Thanks Elaine. I hadn't thought of the seasonal difference. Perhaps I'll get more replies in a few months?

I'll keep uploading photos of the NOIDs I and my family have as they bloom. Hopefully they will be recognised, or forum members will be willing to go through this thread in their flower season.
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Sep 17, 2016 6:12 PM CST

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Now there is Andy Easton, who does considerable Cymbidium hybridizing and is one of the most knowledgeable person when it comes to Cymbidiums. He hangs out as MrCym at the
http://forum.theorchidsource.com
(where he is usually ranting against the AOS Rolling my eyes. ) and I think he reads along the AOS group on Fb. I know he is one of their members.
I should mention that that forum is nowadays pretty dead, most of its former members hang out at the AOS group on Fb.
Whenever I interfaced with MrCym, I found him to be very helpful and courteous.
Name: Elaine
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dyzzypyxxy
Sep 17, 2016 6:13 PM CST
We start seeing them at orchid shows in January and February but mine never usually put up any flower spikes until March. This also depends upon how chilly we get during the winter months. If they don't get enough chill, they don't bloom at all for me. I even have a "heat tolerant" one that was in bloom when I got it 3 years ago, but has not bloomed since. Rolling my eyes.

Your grandmother's white cymbidium is really lovely. It probably has many "children" by now. Please keep showing us your pretty flowers even though we're not being much help to your ID quest.

Melbourne is a wonderful city - I was there for 2 weeks in 1999 sailing in a big Laser regatta. Those pastry shops on Acland Street appear in my dreams still.
Elaine

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Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 17, 2016 6:54 PM CST
Thanks, @Ursula. I'll post over on that forum as well and see if I get any responses.

@dyzzypyxxy - Thanks Elaine. I think my grandmother's white cymbidium has been divided many times by now (she has three more larger pots of it at her little unit and I think her siblings and my mother also received divisions of it).

Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 19, 2016 4:26 AM CST
Well, MrCym has suggested likely IDs for the two NOIDs I've posted so far - an Alexanderi selection (possibly 'Sixty') and he's almost certain that the green one is Amesbury, possibly 'Frank Slattery'.

I did not mention Paul's suggestion of Alexanderi 'Westonbirt', so I'm taking this as a good sign that two people have independently suggested the same cross.
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 6b
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Ursula
Sep 19, 2016 7:03 AM CST

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A big Thumbs up
I am glad MrCym came through for you!!
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Sep 19, 2016 7:24 AM CST

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Thank you Australis! Smiling
Name: lindsey
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sugarcane
Sep 19, 2016 2:10 PM CST
everyone loves a good mystery...but we love happy endings even more!
Congratulations on getting your ID!
lindsey
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Australis
Sep 19, 2016 5:18 PM CST
Thanks @sugarcane. Two down, quite a few more to go... (once they open).
Name: Joshua
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Region: Australia Bookworm Cat Lover Lilies Orchids Seed Starter
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Australis
Oct 1, 2016 1:52 AM CST
Well, the next one has bloomed. Actually, a few more of my mother-in-law's plants have, as well as one of mine (that I received from her). I suspect they are all the same clone.

My NOID (varying lighting conditions):
Thumb of 2016-10-01/Australis/7efa85

My mother-in-law's NOIDs:
Thumb of 2016-10-01/Australis/d60e9b Thumb of 2016-10-01/Australis/d6a105

The two plants out in the sun seem to have more upright spikes, where as the two under cover (mine and one of hers) have cascaded a lot more (that said, the bulbs on mine are at a severe angle to begin with as a result of the way they grew... hence the spike almost starts horizontal; going to repot it after flowering to remedy the situation).

Also going to post this to the Orchid Source and see what MrCym thinks.

Would love to hear your feedback and possible thoughts on an ID.

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