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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 26, 2016 2:13 PM CST
That's a great assortment Caroline! Thumbs up I've been wanting to try Praestans 'Shogun'- William, your testimonial makes me think I need to order some right away!

I've tried T.bakeri 'Lilac Wonder' a couple of times and never saw the first bloom, only a couple of leaves. Any of you tried them before?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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William
Sep 26, 2016 3:18 PM CST
Neal, do try 'Shogun' Smiling However as you (like me) dig many of your tulips, you will not need to buy many bulbs as they reproduce something fierce. True I had mine in pots and that probably stressed them a bit and bulbs in ground may have divided less, but still I have never seen a tulip reproduce in this way before! Given the nature of this tulip, I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the resulting smaller bulbs will bloom with at least a few blooms, but time will tell.

'Lilac Wonder' may have been one of the tulips that hardly produced any blooms here. The name sounds familiar. If I had kept better records, I would have known for sure!!! If so, it's interesting that it didn't bloom for you either. Come to think of it, first year bloom really is the growers (and sellers) responsibility as the bulbs should get the correct treatment during storage.

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UndertheSun
Sep 26, 2016 3:46 PM CST
I know Neal has told me before, but I forgot. *Blush*

What are the types of daffodils that will grow good in our heat? Also, when do they go on sale? I think it was after a Holiday.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 26, 2016 4:18 PM CST
William, I recall reading somewhere that Lilac Wonder needs more "warmth", and wasn't sure if that meant during winter or summer. I don't worry with digging my species tulips, those are the ones I always hope will perennialize naturally. I've had the best luck planting them really deep, for some reason that seems to help with reliable return. It makes it a real pain if I decide to move them, I tried with some and never could find the bulbs!

Rob, the Tazetta and Jonquilla classes are good for warmer climates. Brent and Becky's has a 50% off sale the day after Thanksgiving. That sale is iffy for me because they arrive around December 2, which may or may not be too cold to plant, but you should be able to snag a bunch of great deals! B&B lists daffs that perform well in the south too, which would apply to your mild winters.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

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UndertheSun
Sep 26, 2016 4:22 PM CST
Thanksgiving! I knew it was after a holiday. Big Grin

Thank you (again) Neal! I tip my hat to you.
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William
Sep 26, 2016 5:25 PM CST
Neal, never heard about a tulip needing warmth during winter for bloom, so I would suspect it was warmth in summer, but of course I could be wrong about that. Sometimes this is called "summer baking" and that is relatively common procedure when trying to grow certain bulbs in cold summer climates such as my own, but one would think it wasn't as necessary in many parts of the US as your summers usually are much warmer than ours Confused

Incidentally I have a bag of T. clusiana 'Peppermint Stick' awaiting planting and I think I pretty much is going to blame you for that purchase as you showed a lovely image of it earlier this year Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! . Anyway that is how I rationalize the purchase!
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
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gemini_sage
Sep 27, 2016 7:45 AM CST
I think you'll be very pleased with them William! Thumbs up They're so graceful and really light up the garden.

I had thought the warmth comment probably meant during summer too, but when Lilac Wonder produced no blooms and only a few random leaves (both times I tried them) I wondered if they're not as cold hardy. We've certainly got the warmth in summer here, but mine never made it to their first summer. I've also wondered if they're sensitive to winter moisture and perhaps they rotted. Drainage is good here, but the soil is moisture retentive.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Laurie b
Western Washington (Zone 7b)
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lauriebasler
Sep 27, 2016 10:25 AM CST
I tried growing bulbs, many years ago, it took me a few seasons to figure out I was just feeding the squirrels, and after a few attempts to outsmart them, I gave up, and never tried again. As I read here, it seems to me this is one of the more complex and time sensitive plants to cultivate, and the work, oh my gosh, it sounds like such hard work. With awe, Kudos to you all.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 27, 2016 12:50 PM CST
Laurie, a lot of bulb plants are quite care free, its just a matter of finding those that perform in your zone and aren't attractive to the critters that live there. Daffodils are a good place to start, they're toxic to rodents and many tolerate more summer moisture than other bulbs. A lot of folks end up disappointed with tulips and crocuses, apparently those two are particularly tasty to rodents.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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William
Sep 27, 2016 1:50 PM CST
Sorry to hear about your disappointment with bulbs, Laurie Sad . We only have red squirrels here and they cause no harm to bulbs that I know of, so I'm afraid I'm of little use when it comes to recommending squirrel safe bulbs, but I agree with Neal that there are many care free bulbs. For instance Glory of the Snow and the common Snowdrop are almost indestructible in many gardens and they can bloom for decades completely without care.

Actually many times the conditions in our gardens are too good, too rich soil, too much water and that causes problems for many bulbs that originates from areas with horribly dry and hot summers. Another problem is that many bulbs are bred to perform best with annual digging and division as that is what they do in the Netherlands. They want quick dividing cultivars that increase in size as fast as possible. It would be possible to breed more garden worthy cultivars of many species, but there is no money in it. Most people don't buy bulbs based on garden performance, they buy them because the bulbs looks large, because they are cheap and because they are packaged with a seducing, sometimes even unrealistic picture. BTW this behavior includes me most of the time Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
Name: Annette
Duluth, Ga (Zone 7a)
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Cem9165
Sep 27, 2016 4:32 PM CST
Hey y'all, I have been enjoying all the posts on this thread! I'm tardy to the bulb ordering party, but I finally placed an order on Sunday. I previously would start ordering bulbs in March, so this is really late for me. Most of these will be planted in the front garden, and some of the tulip bulbs in pots. I may force a few hyacinths.

I wanted to make a huge PINK impression for spring of 2017, so all of my bulbs ordered are mostly in shades of pink. 1600 hundred bulbs ordered so far.

Colorblends order- 300 bulbs

http://www.colorblends.com/Who...

300 Dordogne- pink, orange, late blooming

Van Engelen order- 1300 bulbs

https://www.vanengelen.com/flo...

Collection G: The Latest May Tulip Garden-300 bulbs
* 50 Tulip Temple of Beauty: Deep salmon-rose. 

* 50 Tulip Hocus Pocus: Yellow with raspberry-pink flames.

* 50 Tulip Long Lady: Pale yellow and pink. 

* 50 Tulip Temple's Favorite: Nasturtium-orange.

* 50 Tulip El Nino: Variable yellow, orange, rose and red. 

* 50 Tulip Blushing Beauty: Yellow and rose-red.

Big Shades of Pink 2 orders-800 bulbs
200 Tulip Design Impression: Radiant rose, flushed gold. Lime-marginated foliage. 

200 Tulip Ollioules: Old rose, soft marble-white edges. 

200 Tulip Pink Impression: Luminous soft pink, maturing to old rose. 

200 Tulip Salmon Impression: Salmon-apricot-pink, paler edges.

The Pink and White Hyacinth Special 2 orders- 200 bulbs

https://www.vanengelen.com/flo...

50 Hyacinth orientalis Fondant: Neyron-rose, paler phlox-pink highlights. 

50 Hyacinth orientalis Pink Elephant: Whisper-pink tinged salmon.
50 Hyacinth orientalis Pink Pearl: Fuchsia-pink, paler edges. 

50 Hyacinth orientalis White Pearl: Ivory, to glistening white.

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William
Sep 27, 2016 5:48 PM CST
Annette, I commend your restraint when it comes to color. Sounds very harmonious and lovely!!!
My own plantings will for sure be an uncoordinated color mess, but hey that's my normal way of celebrating spring Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

This year I ordered from Fluwel http://www.fluwel.com/ , Eurobulb http://www.eurobulb.nl/index.p... and Nijssen Bulbs Heemstede https://nijssentuin.nl/

Allium
3 Ambassador
3 altissimum sel. ‘Samson’
3 'Summer Beauty'
5 'Summer Drummer'
5 karataviense 'Ivory Queen'
10 x 'Globus'
5 giganteum
10 schubertii

Colchicum
3 Poseidon
1 Lilac Bedder
1 Jochem Hof
1 Dick Trotter
2 Rosy Dawn
1 bivonae 'Apollo'
1 macrophyllum
3 pannonicum

Tulips

10 Hakuun
10 Light and Dreamy
10 Gavota
10 Menton
10 Scarlet Baby
5 'Bleu Amaible'
10 'Girlfriend'
10 'Grand Perfection'
10 'Havran'
10 'La Belle Epoque'
5 'Lac van Rijn'
10 'Peppermintstick'
20 Purissima Blonde
20 tsimganica
20 Affair
20 Silver Cloud
20 Janis Joplin

Crocus
10 Striped Beauty
25 chrysanthus 'Advance'
25 minimus 'Spring Beauty'
10 olivieri subsp. balansae 'Orange Monarch'
10 vernus 'Fantasy'
25 Crocus vernus Jeanne d'Arc

Fritillaria

2 raddeana
1 persica 'Adiyaman'
1 imperialis 'Early Fantasy'
1 imperialis 'Early Passion'
1 imperialis 'Orange Beauty'
1 imperialis 'Sunset'
1 imperialis 'Early Dream'


Cyclamen
10 Cyclamen hederifolium
5 Cyclamen hederifolium - dark pink/purple selection

Iris
10 reticulata 'White Caucasus'
10 reticulata Scent Sational
10 reticulata Sunshine

Chionodoxa
10 forbesii 'Blue Giant'
25 luciliae 'Rose Queen'

The Rest
25 Anemone coronaria 'Mr. Fokker'
3 Corydalis solida 'Vuurvogel'
10 Galanthus nivalis 'S. Arnott'
25 Muscari 'Baby Breath'
20 Erythronium Pagoda
10 Camassia leichtlinii Blue Heaven
50 Etouffee Hyacinth mix

Happy to say that at least the Colchicum, Cyclamen, Corydalis, Galanthus and Fritillaria are already in the ground.


Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
Sep 27, 2016 6:26 PM CST
@William Rolling on the floor laughing You sound like me. I have no pattern, reason, I just buy bulbs and plant. I do not have a lot of choices since the critters love them so much so I do not have a lot of different bulbs in the gardens.

I picked up my force bulbs last week at my local nursery. I am waiting for the Big Box to put the Hyacinths on sale and I will add them to my forcing project.

8 Jonquilla daffodil kinglet
8 Jonquilla daffodil sweet love
8 Jonquilla daffodil sweetness

4 Allium Nectaroscordum Bulgaricum
4 Aliuum Purple rain
4 Allium Neapoltanum

5 Lily flowered tulip Claudia
5 Botonical Crocus Purple
10 Allium Sphaerocephalon
5 Chiono Luciliae

White Bulb Collection
5 Single late Tulip City of Vancouver
5 Botanical Crocus Ard Schenk
5 Iris Hollandica White Van Vliet
10 Allium Neapoltanum

Red Flower Bulb Collection
5 Single Early Tulip Red Revival
5 Small cupped Barret Browning
10 anemone coronana Hollandia
5 Tulip Linifolia
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Sep 27, 2016 8:01 PM CST
Wow!
Keep Calm and Carry On
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 28, 2016 5:22 AM CST
Annette, you'll love those Temple sports- they're so tall and graceful and all the colors blend beautifully together!

Nice assortment William! Have your colchicum bloomed yet? I've had them bloom in the box before they were even planted!

Cinta, nice variety there! Do you plan on forcing the alliums?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
central Illinois
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jmorth
Sep 28, 2016 10:16 AM CST
I tried to force A. schubertii a couple of times, both were failures.
Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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William
Sep 28, 2016 11:29 AM CST
Neal, most of the Colchicum are actually finished blooming as I got them early, but I have 3 more to go and a few that are still blooming. It has been an unusually warm, dry and sunny September here, so the Colchicum season have been a bit stressed and that includes cultivars already in the garden. I have also received them blooming or with large buds in the box Green Grin! .

It got to be said that many of them are quite similar in looks, but as I only grown Colchicum for a few years I try to find the best performers for my conditions so I like to sample a few every year. I'm also looking for ones with as sturdy blooms as possible as many do have a tendency to fall over here in the forest with the lack of light. Do you have any favorites, Neal?

Anyway today I received my final bulb box, the weather have finally changed to something more resembling a real autumn and I have at least started to widen a few of the garden beds as to make room for all the bulbs. After that I got tired, went inside and installed a parental lock blocking all bulb vendors from my computer and tried my best to forget all about the password. Better safe than sorry. I'll remember it eventually but hopefully not until next year Crossing Fingers! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
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gemini_sage
Sep 28, 2016 12:11 PM CST
That's one way to impose some self control! Rolling on the floor laughing

A couple of years ago I ordered 5 colchicum that I thought were different varieties. They were sold as C. bornmuelleri, C. speciosum, C. cilicicum, 'Giant', and 'Dick Trotter'. The database here says C. bornmuelleri and C. speciosum are the same. Anyhow, 'Giant' and C. cilicicum have been the best performers here- both produce lots of blooms and increase well. The one sold as C. speciosum disappeared, but the one sold as C. bornmuelleri has returned and bloomed reliably without much increase. 'Dick Trotter' had never produced a bloom but I was just outside and noticed the tip of a bud emerging from the spot! Hurray!

Jack, it seems later blooming bulbs are more challenging to force. I know it can be done because the Dutch cut flower market has them available much of the year, but I have a feeling its a specialized process.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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William
Sep 28, 2016 1:12 PM CST
Thanks Neal Smiling
Always interesting to read other gardeners experience. It seems I have a few of those, but they are very new - planted last year or this season.

I only bought C. cilicicum last year and got 3 bulbs dividing it this summer! Sturdy, long bloom time. So far a real favorite for me as well!
I need to move my 'Giant' to a sunnier spot as it is a bit floppy, but the size of the blooms are quite impressive!
I have C. bornmuelleri here and I've seen it called C. speciosum var. bornmuelleri as well. I read it's an earlier blooming form of C. speciosum. It certainly blooms very early here.
Will be interesting how my 'Dick Trotter' performs next year as I have no idea, but at least it has the courtesy to bloom here in its first year. Very sturdy blooms!
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Name: aud/odd
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Cinta
Sep 28, 2016 3:13 PM CST
gemini_sage said:Annette, you'll love those Temple sports- they're so tall and graceful and all the colors blend beautifully together!

Nice assortment William! Have your colchicum bloomed yet? I've had them bloom in the box before they were even planted!

Cinta, nice variety there! Do you plan on forcing the alliums?


The Alliums I am putting in the pots on the patio. I discovered last year that the bulbs bloom earlier in the large pots I have on the patio because they warm up earlier when I remove the insulation and covers.

I have these large pots that are to heavy to move indoors for me anymore. So I moisten the soil Put them up on styrofoam wrap them in styrofoam sheets and cover the entire pots with blankets. I remove the covers in March and things start in one to two months before the in ground plants. I needed Spring tall plants so I am using the Alliums in these pots.

These are the big pots. They are almost as big as the furniture and they are heavier than the furniture. I just cannot lift them anymore.

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