Plant ID forum: Wildflower from Brazil for ID please..

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 25, 2011 7:44 AM CST
I wonder if anyone recognized this little but charming wildflower on stony soil on an open sunny spot end of January in Paraty, Brazil..
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dave
Oct 25, 2011 8:36 AM CST

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That definitely looks like a Lactuca, but I've never seen a red blooming wild lettuce.
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threegardeners
Oct 25, 2011 8:45 AM CST
http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/savanna/plants/rf_lettuc...

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dave
Oct 25, 2011 8:48 AM CST

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I saw that when I went googling but the leaf is completely different.
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threegardeners
Oct 25, 2011 8:53 AM CST
Just as a side note, I found this list of Lactuca, but I don't see any mentioned for South America..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactuca
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM CST
Thanks Dave and Lee Anne, I agree, the plant has something lettuce-like..I have been googling Lactua from Brazil, but so far no success, only found yellow ones, I guess the plant is too modest to give attention to, I like it though.. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Oct 26, 2011 5:01 PM CST
I thought it was Emilia Confused


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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 26, 2011 11:06 PM CST
You got it! That is it Karen! Hurray!
Thank you!
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kqcrna
Oct 27, 2011 4:56 AM CST
Hurray! very rare for me to come up with a correct ID. I just know that one because I grew it myself for a few years.

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 27, 2011 6:01 AM CST
Smiling
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dave
Oct 27, 2011 7:08 AM CST

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Thumbs up Nice Karen!
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 2:25 AM CST
Janet( JRsbugs) has searched for other species Emelia and found one ; Emelia fosbergii which is native to Brasil! I think mine is that one..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mercadanteweb/sets/721576253923...
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?stat=BROWSE_IMG&...

Thanks Janet! Smiling
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kqcrna
Oct 30, 2011 4:51 AM CST
Could be.

You know, Myriam, you're making me want to grow Emilia again. Smiling

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 5:04 AM CST
me too Karen! Smiling
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kqcrna
Oct 30, 2011 5:17 AM CST
It did tend to flop a lot for me, Myriam. That's why I stopped growing it. Those skinny stems fall over easily so I'd say it did best in the middle of a bed where surrounding plants might help to support the flowers.

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 6:21 AM CST
That is a good tip, Karen!
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JRsbugs
Oct 31, 2011 10:47 AM CST
This is Emilia fosbergii,

http://sites.google.com/site/florasbs/asteraceae/bela-emilia
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Nov 1, 2011 1:02 AM CST
Interesting Janet and good photos on that site!
Emilia fosbergii is synonym to Emilia coccinae, so is the same plant!
Confusing..
As E.fosbergii is used as the official scientific name then Karen's pictures in the data base would have to move to E.fosbergii..and E. coccinae entered as synonym name...
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JRsbugs
Nov 1, 2011 6:56 AM CST
I'm not sure Myriam!

Emilia coccinae is a synonym of Emilia javanica here

On USDA they are treated as separate species..

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EMCO

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EMFO

3 species in the US in Emilia..

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EMILI

So Emilia fosbergii is a species in it's own right, the foliage on E. coccinea is different too.

http://www.hear.org/molokai/kalaupapa/herbarium/vouchers/emi...

http://intermountainbiota.org/portal/taxa/index.php?taxon=33...

http://zojeczka.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/emilia-szkarlatna/e...

You can fid the two species in Brazil in Asteraceae trib. Senecioneae.

Asteraceae Emilia fosbergii Nicolson
Asteraceae Emilia sonchifolia (L.) DC. ex Wight

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http:/...


Name: Myriam
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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bonitin
Nov 1, 2011 8:55 AM CST
Which means then that the Flora SBS site is not reliable as they state Emilia fosbergii as synonym to;

Emilia coccinea

Emilia sagittata

Emilia sonchifolia var. rosea

What a mess! Rolling my eyes. who to believe from these sites?

It is hard to say from the herbarium images in what the leaves are different, being all shrivelled up..

Strange when I looked earlier for Emilia in the Flora do Brasil it didn't show up anything, but now it shows up two species;
Emilia fosbergii and Emilia sonchifolia ??

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