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Oct 25, 2011 7:44 AM CST
|I wonder if anyone recognized this little but charming wildflower on stony soil on an open sunny spot end of January in Paraty, Brazil..|
Oct 25, 2011 8:36 AM CST
|That definitely looks like a Lactuca, but I've never seen a red blooming wild lettuce.|
Oct 25, 2011 8:45 AM CST
Oct 25, 2011 8:48 AM CST
|I saw that when I went googling but the leaf is completely different.|
Oct 25, 2011 8:53 AM CST
|Just as a side note, I found this list of Lactuca, but I don't see any mentioned for South America..|
Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM CST
|Thanks Dave and Lee Anne, I agree, the plant has something lettuce-like..I have been googling Lactua from Brazil, but so far no success, only found yellow ones, I guess the plant is too modest to give attention to, I like it though..|
Oct 26, 2011 5:01 PM CST
|I thought it was Emilia |
Oct 26, 2011 11:06 PM CST
|You got it! That is it Karen! |
Oct 27, 2011 4:56 AM CST
| very rare for me to come up with a correct ID. I just know that one because I grew it myself for a few years.|
Oct 27, 2011 6:01 AM CST
Oct 27, 2011 7:08 AM CST
Oct 30, 2011 2:25 AM CST
|Janet( JRsbugs) has searched for other species Emelia and found one ; Emelia fosbergii which is native to Brasil! I think mine is that one..|
Oct 30, 2011 4:51 AM CST
You know, Myriam, you're making me want to grow Emilia again.
Oct 30, 2011 5:04 AM CST
|me too Karen!|
Oct 30, 2011 5:17 AM CST
|It did tend to flop a lot for me, Myriam. That's why I stopped growing it. Those skinny stems fall over easily so I'd say it did best in the middle of a bed where surrounding plants might help to support the flowers.|
Oct 30, 2011 6:21 AM CST
|That is a good tip, Karen!|
Oct 31, 2011 10:47 AM CST
|This is Emilia fosbergii, |
Nov 1, 2011 1:02 AM CST
|Interesting Janet and good photos on that site!|
Emilia fosbergii is synonym to Emilia coccinae, so is the same plant!
As E.fosbergii is used as the official scientific name then Karen's pictures in the data base would have to move to E.fosbergii..and E. coccinae entered as synonym name...
Nov 1, 2011 6:56 AM CST
|I'm not sure Myriam! |
Emilia coccinae is a synonym of Emilia javanica here
On USDA they are treated as separate species..
3 species in the US in Emilia..
So Emilia fosbergii is a species in it's own right, the foliage on E. coccinea is different too.
You can fid the two species in Brazil in Asteraceae trib. Senecioneae.
Asteraceae Emilia fosbergii Nicolson
Asteraceae Emilia sonchifolia (L.) DC. ex Wight
Nov 1, 2011 8:55 AM CST
|Which means then that the Flora SBS site is not reliable as they state Emilia fosbergii as synonym to;|
Emilia sonchifolia var. rosea
What a mess! who to believe from these sites?
It is hard to say from the herbarium images in what the leaves are different, being all shrivelled up..
Strange when I looked earlier for Emilia in the Flora do Brasil it didn't show up anything, but now it shows up two species;
Emilia fosbergii and Emilia sonchifolia ??