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Name: Pamela Gregory
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PamelaLynn77
Oct 22, 2016 5:25 PM CST
I have decided to do this as advised. I have bought everything needed if i didnt already have it. Now I have a few questions. First, I had trouble finding the right clay. I tried modeling clay it was only like a dollar fifty cents. no big deal if it wrong and I can use it for other things. So the question is . Is it ok for this job. I looked for ingredients on package it doesn't read of any ingredients it reads " non toxic" that about it. Ill add a pic if that may help.
Another question is when I initially make the pot and add water to the vermiculite " add water until water runs through the vermiculite. So i soak the vermiculite
Then fill the 2 1/2 inch clay pot with water and do not water again until I can add water to the 2 1/2 inch clay pot ? Isn't this statement true? I just want to make sure I understand the direction I have read? ?
Ok if I have any more questions Ill add as I go. If anyone has tried this could i get some advice maybe . Seems pretty simple , I hope so. Thanks everyone! ;)
Nov 8th added pics of roses growing new leaves.. they look good i hope there doing that well underneath the vermiculite. ..
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Also I added a pic of my new green coleus and i want to know if i should be trimming him at all and he is getting leggy on me and i dont care for the strenth on the stems they seem too fragile.
Is there something i can do to improve this? Im moving him closer to a light where he was when i rooted him. I may have tried to move him out of there too soon . Its warmer and the light is closer to the plants.
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Oct 22, 2016 5:46 PM CST
I am soooo confused by your post. I do not understand why you are even mentioning that you cannot find the "right clay". Modelling clay? Shrug! Confused Why do you need clay at all?
Where did you find your instructions to make a Forsythe Pot? Can you post a link so we can see the instructions you were given?

All you need is a terracotta pot (sometimes called a clay pot) with a cork to plug the hole - the terracotta pot is the reservoir that holds the water; the terracotta allows the water to slowly water the vermiculite. You need a larger container which can be anything from a large terracotta pot or even a plastic bowl from Walmart - it is this container that you will fill with vermiculite - and yes, you need to wet the vermiculite in the beginning, but afterwards you do not need to add water to the vermiculite as the water will seep out of the terracotta pot.
That's all there is to it. Easy-peasy. Practically foolproof. All you need to do is remember to add water to the terracotta pot once in a while.

Please take some time to check out links available on the internet by using the keywords Forsythe Pot method in a Google search.
Here are 4 examples of good links:
http://www.plantswap.net/forum...
http://portal.gardeningclub.co...
https://www.extension.umn.edu/...
http://www.gardeningknowhow.co...

Good luck and please take photos to share. Thumbs up

Edited to add photo. Here you can see the terracotta pot which hold the water, the hole is plugged with a cork; the larger, square pot is filled with vermiculite. Hope this helps.
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Name: Pamela Gregory
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Oct 23, 2016 6:52 AM CST
Good morning greene, thanks for the post! Advice appreciated greatly.
I did search google and this fourm for those words. I see alot of them. Needless to say id prefer to see one version of it rather than 100 because everyone has something different to say. I know you understand that. Yes its hard for me to teach myself sometimes. . So ill add the instructions i copied and pasted to my notes. I believe your the person who suggested this to me and i was unable to remember where you and i has talked so i googled it again. Yes it was a little confusing with google. Anyways here is my instructions that i copied. i dont from where i copied these from a week ago. sorry I had forgotten. I do have so pretty bad short term memory issues im not fond of admitting. Anyways heres a link idk where i got it. Maybe you lol. Idk
http://www.gardeningknowhow.co.......
Then i copied these.. instructions from somewhere. .


what is a forsythe pot? For me — an abysmal failure at rooting anything — these pots are a miracle. My mother always had a jelly jar sitting on the window sill over the kitchen sink and there was always something growing in the water in that jar. She was one of those green-thumb people who could get anything to grow roots. I on the other hand have only watched cuttings turn to mush in my jelly jar. I’m not very reliable with cuttings grown in planting mediums either. I forget to water the cuttings I put in the pot and then try to compensate by giving them too much. Learning how to make a forsythe pot was an answer to my prayers. The two most popular ways to propagate plants is to sow seeds or to take cuttings to root. Sowing seeds is great, but some plants are difficult to grow from seed and when gathered from hybrids, don’t always breed true. If you have a plant you want to propagate from cuttings, learning how to use forsythe pots is for you. Forsythe Pot Basics One of the nice things about forsythe pot basics is the cost. If you’re already a gardener, you probably won’t have to buy anything, just recycle what you have, and if you’re new to gardening, your cost will be minimal. Here are the materials you will need: A plastic pot with drain holes and at least a 6-7 inch diameter. It doesn’t have to be a flower pot as long as it’s about this size or a little larger and there’s a hole in the bottom. A 2 ½ inch clay pot – sorry, it has to be clay. You’ll see why in a minute. Vermiculite (or other soilless mix), a growing medium soil in most garden departments. Paper towel or a scrap of used paper. A small cork or a plug of children’s play clay (not homemade — too much salt!) Water That’s it. You can see how easy it is to make substitutions. Now that you’ve gathered your materials, call the kids and let’s learn how to make a forsythe pot together. How to Make a Forsythe Pot Here are the steps for putting your forsythe pot together: Cover the hole in the bottom of your plastic container with the paper. Plug the hole in the bottom of the clay pot with cork or clay. This is the most important step in forsythe pot basics. No water should drain from the hole at the bottom of this pot! Fill the plastic pot almost to the top with vermiculite. Push the empty clay pot into the center of the vermiculite filled plastic pot. Fill the clay pot with water and water the vermiculite until water drains freely from the bottom. You’ve just completed your first forsythe pot! Propagation can begin when the excess drainage from the vermiculite stops. Just place your cutting stems into the vermiculite in a circle around the clay pot. Forsythe Pot Propagation – How to Use Forsythe Pots The principle behind how to use forsythe pots lies in the vermiculite and clay pot. Vermiculite holds water. Clay doesn’t. Keep the clay pot filled with water and it will gradually seep through the clay into the vermiculite, but it will only let out enough water to keep the vermiculite damp. That’s the miracle of the forsythe pot. Propagation is easy because the cuttings will remain in a moist, but never soggy, environment and you never have to decide when or how much to water. Just keep the clay pot full of water and let the pot do all the work! So, what is a forsythe pot? It’s a simple propagation tool. For me, learning how to use a forsythe pot makes me almost as good as my mother was at rooting plant cuttings. That makes me proud.

Read more at Gardening Know How: Forsythe Pot Propagation: Tips On How To Make And Use Forsythe Pots http://www.gardeningknowhow.co... .
Alright you did answer my questions. Ty. I will keep you posted.
I believe i just realized by looking at your picture greene that i have the wrong size clay pots! Damn it. I freaking got 21/2 in tall I think! Damn damn damn. Grrr sorry. I thought that was correct. Ill add pic of what i bought.
The cork.. i didnt find the one they told me to get kids clay or something like that but i found moldeing clay.. ill add pic too. This
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Greene.. I took some cutting of roses bout 4 days ago. Could i still put those in these pots today or tomorrow? ?
Actually another question. . Lol
Ill add a pic of where i am doing my rootings maybe you can let me know if it looks good to you??? Or anyone opinion is accepted greatly! Thanks everyone

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greene
Oct 23, 2016 12:13 PM CST
Don't know why anyone would suggest using clay to plug a hole in a pot. The instructions say firstly to use a cork. If you can't find a cork....well, duh. Who in this world could not find a cork? Buy a bottle of good wine and it will have a cork. Use a sharp knife to pare down the cork to fit the hole in the terracotta pot.

If you don't buy or drink wine, go to a craft store and purchase a package of corks. I Googled looking for corks and they are available at a ton of stores. I purchased mine at A C Moore, but you can go to Walmart, Joann Fabric, etc. They come in a package like this:
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Sorry, I cant' tell much from the photos of your potting area - looks like a medicine cabinet. Most of my potting/propagation is down outside, not inside the house. I keep my Forsythe Pots in an area where they receive bright shade. Once the plants are well rooted I transfer them to individual pots or 6-packs, keep them in the bright shade until they recover from the shock of being potted, then move each to either sun or part sun as required.

One thing that is required when attempting to propagate plants...patience. We must learn to wait. The plant will grow roots in its own time and all the worrying in the world will not make it happen any faster.

This method was suggested by Alexander Forsyth (Oakhill Gardens June 8, 1835) and was published in "The Gardener's Magazine and Register of Rural and Domestic Improvements, Volume 1.
https://books.google.com/books...

The original method has been changed over the years to include the use of vermiculite rather than sand.

Peace out. Good luck in your efforts. Please take photos of your projects to share. Thank You!



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Name: greene
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greene
Oct 23, 2016 12:56 PM CST
Okay...simplify.
If you want to look at only one person's instruction for the Forsyth Pot Method I would strongly advise looking at the link I provided for the post made by "Zuzu's Petals" on PlantSwap.net. She is the person who taught me and her instructions and photos are perfect, simple, easy to understand. (Note: She is not the same person as the NGA member named zuzu.)

http://www.plantswap.net/forum...

Edited to add:
Zuzu's Petals did not use a cork to plug the hole in the terracotta pot; she used duct tape. Whatever works!
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Name: Pamela Gregory
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Oct 23, 2016 4:11 PM CST
The area i have set up in the picture is simply a stand under a stove hood that i use for the fan and the light. I replaced the bulb to a plant light. . There is a small shelf there to the right, it wouldn't fit on the counter next to it. I tried moving it but no luck.
I have been keeping up with the temperature there in that space has been 80/82 degrees all day. I would think my rootings would be happy with that? They all seem very happy.

Thanks greene for all the help. I guess i shouldn't have said I only want one persons advice. What i meant was i will read dozens of peoples ideas and i watch alot alot of videos on my plantings but in the end I like to choose one persons way to actually do whatever it is im doing. Once in a while i may go by 2 different people's instructions if i dont have the same material there using or for different reasons like that.
Thanks for the link also. Greene.
Ok I did find enough clay pots around here to do a few Forsythe Pots so im interested in doing the roses I have in water now... anyone know if i can switch it over now to the Forsythe Pot method from rose stems sitting in water the past 4 days, maybe 5. Would the roses root this way??
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Oct 25, 2016 10:45 AM CST
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I took some rose cuttings about 7/8 ago. I want know if any thinks its impossible to move the cuttings to a Forsythe Pots??
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I don't see why there should be a problem transferring your rose cuttings from water to the forsythe pot. In fact they would root better using the pot/vermiculite method, vs. than plain water.
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Oct 29, 2016 8:01 AM CST
I added pictures of my rose cuttings in my forsythe pots. I had to change some measurements for my clay pots as I did not find them 2 1/2 inches but both pots are pretty similar. The small clay pot was 3 inches across the top of pots and the larger pots were 6 and 6 1/2 inches.
If anyone has any questions I dont mind answering I was ask to post some of the things I was doing so I choose this one first. I never had an issue with rooting roses but I needed these out of 6 small bottles more portable for moving things around and this is freaking perfect 2 pots 6 cuttings works for me. This was all very easy and i did find most everything in my heap of potting stuff but the vermiculite and I did stuggle a little plugging up those holes in the bottom of the clay pots mine were not the size of corks. And the moldeing clay didnt dry and wouldnt stay in the freaking pot! It fell out if I touched it and it wasnt safe to me. So I put the clay back in let it dry as much as I thought it would then cover with super glue and let dry no water no air went thur the hole. So far everything looks great..




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Name: Pamela Gregory
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Nov 5, 2016 7:51 AM CST
UPDATE, Ladied and Gents .. ??anyone have any ideas about these questions. Im still working with these roses. The 3 with leaves growing is looking great but I still dont know if I should cut that away to have the plant work more on rooting?

I have a few questions about my forsythe pottings ..
1st Roses I believe I may have misunderstood exactly what or how many leaves should have been on the stem when I cut it from the bush.. is this true It needed to have 2 sets of leaves per stem?? Also I may have forgotten to clean or scape a little of the sides at bottom of the stem to help roots grow from that area.. I can not remeber for the life of me. Anyways if I did forget how much have I lessened my changes of rooting those stems? Another question. 3 of my stems have grown leaves, very pretty really. I took pics I hope you all can see. One is coming out of the forsythe and it looks so cute.. I am working on getting my camera fixed on my phone . my pics can get blurred easily and my eyes are not too good any more. . I try to get you all clear pictures. those 3 stems look great ... I think they maybe rooting already they seem strong in the ground as the others do not. Idk how to explain but I think I can tell these 3 are doing good and rooting.I think...I have not done the light tug as I believe its too early. . No need to be messing with those roots at all yet if they are forming. It scares me to do it when its been weeks after a plants has rooted. Lol I'm scared it will disturb them and they are so fragile. Right?? So no need to touch them for at least another week or more. Agreed? So another question all my leaves fell off that were on the stems when i cut them off the bush.. normal correct?? And is the new leaves a bad thing as far as taking energy from the plant rooting?

Coleus plant I have shared about my coleus a few times so some of you have a little info, such as I lost almost a dozen rooted stems to a disease a zebra plant I had brought from home depot . I lost about 18 rooted plants in my window ceil that week, So I have a little .. tiny bit of knowledge about them. Lol or maybe i just love them and my persian shields!! So
Back to question, what the hell is wrong with ths coleus? I have shared pics of him .. he was is outstanding!! Beautiful! He was slow to root compared to another Id propagated at the same time it just rooted slower and had alot less roots . But all of a sudden this slow one . He is pink green he got some blackish brownish goldish color starting from bottom of the stem working its way up.So I potted both of them in forrthye pot but not before I potted it I cut the area off that had miscolored. and planted in forsythe pot. It still looks great at the top and 3 days ago i noticed that color coming up out of the forsythe. . Damn damn damn. But it looks so good the foliage does??? Im lost!?!?!? Ill add few more pics of him too when ' was just fine a week ago..
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Added pic of new coleus I got because I pretty sure Im losing another one . ; (
I know a few of you have warned me about bringing something home to my plants like bugs ext.
Can some of you give me a few tips as to .. idk maybe warnng signs of bugs or diseases or any info that would help ne with protecting my plants from things I bring home from woods things like that.
I love spraying my plants with neem almost weekly or at least bi weekly so thats a major help I believe because I haven't had a bug so far.. not inside anyways. I have a mixture I put together that so far hasnt failed me yet . Just neem , dawn and cayenne pepper spices.
Any help is greatly appreciated
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