Daylilies forum: What is your most successful seed starting method?

Page 1 of 2 • 1 2
Views: 1604, Replies: 25 » Jump to the end
South Central Kentucky (Zone 6b)
Daylilies Cat Lover Garden Art
Image
Cynthia59P
Nov 3, 2016 3:02 PM CST
I have started seeds before. I started them in little cell packs in March in my basement with a warming mat underneath and lights above. I later transplanted to plastic cups and then moved them outside in June. The plants were small and I did not plant them in the ground until late summer. It was two years later before I had my first blooms. I wonder if I should have started the seeds in the late fall in the basement. I wonder if I should have waited until the next summer and planted directly in the ground. I know there are some veteran folks out there who have tried and true methods for successful seed starting....and I sure hope you don't mind sharing your ideas.What would you suggest?
Thanks,
Cynthia
Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Nov 3, 2016 5:24 PM CST
I plant mine in plastic tubs with at least 6" of soil about the same time, maybe a few weeks later being more north, and put the tubs
outdoors in the daytime as long as it is even 45 and the sun is shining, but then I will plant hundreds of seeds in each tub, and will
plant the seedlings out in the garden just like a tomato or cabbage, about a foot apart in June, and then just hoe them the same as
with my vegetables. A lot of people do it different ways to save time and make the work easier, like planting in plastic with holes
spaced about a foot apart. My experience is that I am a clumsy oaf and I can't keep them weeded that way. I have also found that
daylilies respond very well to being cultivated where the roots get some air and the soil is not compacted, and you can't do that if
they are planted in plastic. The most important part is that you keep them weeded and watered once you put them in the garden.
I plant mine a foot apart so I can hoe between them, and they will normally bloom the next year if you fertilize them the same as
with vegetables. If you are familiar with Tobacco farming, you should be just fine. On a large scale, lots of people use a regular
tobacco setter to plant seedlings in rows, the same as tomatoes, cabbage, peppers and sweet potatoes. My rows are 100 feet long
so I can hoe just one row at a time. Direct sowing did not work for me, but I did try it. Use a fan on seedlings indoors, or even if you
have a greenhouse to keep plants from damping off so easily.
South Central Kentucky (Zone 6b)
Daylilies Cat Lover Garden Art
Image
Cynthia59P
Nov 3, 2016 9:32 PM CST
Deryll, thanks so much for the information. I did not know that a fan would help to keep the plants from damping off. To be honest, I had not even heard of damping off, but I have experienced it.

I am most certainly familiar with tobacco farming as my family raised it for years. I've had my fair share of the tobacco setter. ;) Sadly, we do not have the farm anymore, and 100' rows are not possible in my yard. I'm also not planting 100's of seedlings either, so I will be able to do some here. I remember my Daddy side dressing the tobacco. Do you do something similar with your seedlings?

Thanks,
Cynthia

Deryll said:I plant mine in plastic tubs with at least 6" of soil about the same time, maybe a few weeks later being more north, and put the tubs
outdoors in the daytime as long as it is even 45 and the sun is shining, but then I will plant hundreds of seeds in each tub, and will
plant the seedlings out in the garden just like a tomato or cabbage, about a foot apart in June, and then just hoe them the same as
with my vegetables. A lot of people do it different ways to save time and make the work easier, like planting in plastic with holes
spaced about a foot apart. My experience is that I am a clumsy oaf and I can't keep them weeded that way. I have also found that
daylilies respond very well to being cultivated where the roots get some air and the soil is not compacted, and you can't do that if
they are planted in plastic. The most important part is that you keep them weeded and watered once you put them in the garden.
I plant mine a foot apart so I can hoe between them, and they will normally bloom the next year if you fertilize them the same as
with vegetables. If you are familiar with Tobacco farming, you should be just fine. On a large scale, lots of people use a regular
tobacco setter to plant seedlings in rows, the same as tomatoes, cabbage, peppers and sweet potatoes. My rows are 100 feet long
so I can hoe just one row at a time. Direct sowing did not work for me, but I did try it. Use a fan on seedlings indoors, or even if you
have a greenhouse to keep plants from damping off so easily.


Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Nov 4, 2016 8:51 AM CST
Yes, I side dress my seedlings, and there in Kentucky I'm sure you have used high nitrogen fertilizer for the tobacco, and that is
what I use... very carefully. My family is also from Kentucky. I have only been on the setter once, but have cut and stripped and
helped hang. My family no longer raises it, so I haven't helped for a few years now.
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
Windswept Farm & Gardens
Hostas Lilies Hybridizer Keeps Sheep Pollen collector Irises
Hummingbirder Region: United States of America Daylilies Region: Oklahoma Butterflies Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Image
kidfishing
Nov 7, 2016 9:04 PM CST
We have tried everything we can think of and have been told to try.
When we first started growing daylilies from seed, we planted in trays indoors in winter. We had hundreds of seedlings growing by the end of the year. Our plants were nice size by spring when we planted them in the garden. We had great success our first year so we continued this method. We experienced some issues with damping off in the next few years with the problem getting worse each winter. We did use fans and peroxide as suggested to help eliminate the problem. Last year the problem was so bad for damping off and seeds molding that we ended up with about 30% of our seedlings surviving.
Our new method this year is starting seeds outdoors in pots by planting seeds when the pods were harvested. We did not dry or refrigerate the seeds. We have good success. Our other seeds were put in bags of moist vermiculite in the fridge where they are currently sprouting. We will also try sprouted seeds in trays indoors about a month from now.
We want to see if we reduce the time to bloom on any of our summer started seedlings. We have about 300 planted in the garden.
Kidfishing
Ohio (Zone 5a)
Deryll
Nov 8, 2016 12:29 PM CST
Ashton + Terry

It is fun playing around with them trying to see which way works best for you. I am usually not in such a hurry as I am not in
the business of selling plants. No matter which way you go, if you are successful, they soon add up! I have about 2500 or so
seedlings in various stages, and this years seeds laying here waiting to be planted next year. I have no idea where I will put
them unless I get rid of a bunch. I am hoping to plant the seeds late, and cull the seedlings when they bloom. Doing it that
way is putting me behind a whole year, but I don't have much of a choice. I will say that if mine don't bloom the first year by
planting them late, I will normally have a clump of several fans in bloom the second year, and that gives me a better idea of
how it will be in the garden as a mature clump. As I only do it as a hobby, and for my own enjoyment, just saving the cost of
buying something new is worth it for me in the long run. I have a lot of admiration for those of you who have the tenacity to
go at it big time, but there isn't enough of me to go around. There is NOOO way! Sighing!
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
Cat Lover Seed Starter Greenhouse Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers cold winters Pollen collector
Hybridizer Region: Pennsylvania Daylilies Vegetable Grower
Image
Nysbadmk8
Nov 18, 2016 3:10 PM CST
My method is outlined in this blog post. Hope it helps

http://northerngreenhouse.blog...
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Image
kousa
Nov 18, 2016 6:01 PM CST
@Nysbadmk8 Nice Blog, Peter! Love your cats collection too. Wow, that Bengal tiger cat, Lola is a beauty. I have never seen any domestic cats that look like that, a mini tiger. Helen is definitely a special cat. What a survivor! Glad she found a great home with you and your wife.
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
Cat Lover Seed Starter Greenhouse Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers cold winters Pollen collector
Hybridizer Region: Pennsylvania Daylilies Vegetable Grower
Image
Nysbadmk8
Nov 19, 2016 10:16 AM CST
kousa said:@Nysbadmk8 Nice Blog, Peter! Love your cats collection too. Wow, that Bengal tiger cat, Lola is a beauty. I have never seen any domestic cats that look like that, a mini tiger. Helen is definitely a special cat. What a survivor! Glad she found a great home with you and your wife.


Thank you!
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Image
beckygardener
Nov 20, 2016 12:51 AM CST
Peter - Love your growing method and all your seedlings! I hope you will share photos when they start blooming!

I, too, got a kick out of your kitty clan! Some sweet stories! I think you and your wife are angels to be caring about them. They are lucky to have found such a loving home. I wished all animals were so fortunate. I have 2 rescue cats and 2 rescue dogs. One big happy family! Whistling Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Image
beckygardener
Nov 20, 2016 12:55 AM CST
Cynthia - I always start my seeds the same way. I think you may have already read my article here: http://garden.org/ideas/view/b...

I've got some styrofoam cups in my south window where my newest seedlings are sprouting and growing. I just wished I had a bit more property to grow thousands like Terry! Whistling Thumbs up
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Image
Barbalee
Nov 20, 2016 7:42 PM CST
Terrific method, Becky! Had I not been infested with gnats, I would have had a lot more success using this method!
Avatar is 'Global Crossing' 04-20-2017
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Image
beckygardener
Nov 20, 2016 9:48 PM CST
I use H2O2 in the water (when I water all the cups/plants) and that seems to keep the gnat population down.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Image
Barbalee
Nov 21, 2016 12:31 PM CST
I used it, too, but still had gnat problems. Even gnatrol didn't stop it from killing my baby roots! Oh, well, next year is a new one!
Avatar is 'Global Crossing' 04-20-2017
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Image
beckygardener
Nov 21, 2016 3:40 PM CST
Geez.... I am sorry to hear that the gnats destroyed your baby seedlings. Sad
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
Cat Lover Seed Starter Greenhouse Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers cold winters Pollen collector
Hybridizer Region: Pennsylvania Daylilies Vegetable Grower
Image
Nysbadmk8
Nov 22, 2016 7:57 AM CST
Barbalee said:I used it, too, but still had gnat problems. Even gnatrol didn't stop it from killing my baby roots! Oh, well, next year is a new one!


Ecological Labs Microbe Lift Mosquito Control.

This will eliminate Fungus gnats. Use it in dilution in the water you give to your seedlings. It contains natural bacteria that feed on the larvae of fungus gnats.

2-3 treatments will completely eliminate the problem.
[Last edited by Nysbadmk8 - Nov 22, 2016 8:45 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #1322455 (16)
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
Image
sooby
Nov 22, 2016 3:14 PM CST
Nysbadmk8 said:

Ecological Labs Microbe Lift Mosquito Control.

This will eliminate Fungus gnats. Use it in dilution in the water you give to your seedlings. It contains natural bacteria that feed on the larvae of fungus gnats.


Isn't that the same as Gnatrol, Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis?

Barbalee, if the Gnatrol didn't work are you sure it was the fungus gnats that killed the roots and not root rot? Could you have overwatered them?
[Last edited by sooby - Nov 22, 2016 3:16 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #1322718 (17)
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
Cat Lover Seed Starter Greenhouse Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers cold winters Pollen collector
Hybridizer Region: Pennsylvania Daylilies Vegetable Grower
Image
Nysbadmk8
Nov 22, 2016 8:52 PM CST
sooby said:

Isn't that the same as Gnatrol, Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis?

Barbalee, if the Gnatrol didn't work are you sure it was the fungus gnats that killed the roots and not root rot? Could you have overwatered them?


No clue, I have not used, purchased, or researched Gnatrol.

Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
Image
CaliFlowers
Nov 23, 2016 12:07 PM CST
sooby said:

Isn't that the same as Gnatrol, Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis?



Sue,

I've never used Microbe Lift Mosquito Control, but it has the same active ingredient.
https://www.microbelift.com/fi...

Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
Image
sooby
Nov 24, 2016 11:08 AM CST
CaliFlowers said:

Sue,

I've never used Microbe Lift Mosquito Control, but it has the same active ingredient.
https://www.microbelift.com/fi...



Yes, that's what I thought, both Bti. Thumbs up


Page 1 of 2 • 1 2

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Daylilies forum
You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.

Member Login:

Username:

Password:

[ Join now ]

Today's site banner is by plantmanager and is called "Blue My Mind"