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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Nov 8, 2016 12:30 PM CST
If i start plants in peat pots.
Do i put peat pot and all into soil when its time to put it in ground ?
I read where someone said to tear pot off ! If so ! Whats the point of useing them ?
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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 8, 2016 12:36 PM CST
You'll need to rip off the upper part of the pot - the part that is above the soil line - to prevent moisture wicking away.
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plantmanager
Nov 8, 2016 12:53 PM CST
This is one of those ideas that seems great, but in reality it isn't that great. I have planted them pot and all, and they never disintegrate, at least not for years. If I use them now, I tear the pot off before planting, or at least the top part, like Greene mentioned.
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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 8, 2016 1:12 PM CST
I only use peat pots if someone gives them to me for free.
Try to find CowPots made from genuine cow patties:
http://www.cowpotscanada.com/

You can use cardboard/paper egg cartons to start seeds; just cut apart the sections when it's time to plant. At planting time I rip a small hole in the bottom of each section to insure the roots can find the garden soil.




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Name: Elaine
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dyzzypyxxy
Nov 8, 2016 1:24 PM CST
I've had the same experience as Karen, the pots are supposed to disintegrate and the roots grow through the pot sides. In reality they don't break down nearly fast enough and you don't discover why until the plant has pretty much failed.

I haven't used them for several years now because, as you say, Philip, what's the use. I just re-use plastic nursery pots for seedlings.

If you've already got the peat pots, just wet them thoroughly when you're ready to plant, then slash them a few times to make sure they're opened up to the outside soil, if there are some roots showing on the outside of the pot.
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Nov 8, 2016 4:14 PM CST
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Ive never tried them before. I got a bunch real cheep from 99cent store.
BEFORE i read that they dont work like i thought they did.###😠😠😠
Thank Y'all again !!!
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plantmanager
Nov 8, 2016 4:20 PM CST
You can still use them. Just soak very well, and slit open the sides so the roots can get out.
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sallyg
Nov 8, 2016 6:45 PM CST
Tear them up in little bits and mix them with potting soil, and don't fret over trying to use them Green Grin!
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Name: Steve Claggett
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madcratebuilder
Nov 9, 2016 9:29 AM CST
plantmanager said:This is one of those ideas that seems great, but in reality it isn't that great. I have planted them pot and all, and they never disintegrate, at least not for years. If I use them now, I tear the pot off before planting, or at least the top part, like Greene mentioned.


I agree

When I used these in the past for seedlings I later found restricted root growth. I would at least remove the outer layer plus that fabric like covering.
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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Nov 9, 2016 12:43 PM CST
Will do !
These don't have no fabric covering over them. Does that make a difference ???πŸ˜•
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Leftwood
Nov 9, 2016 1:15 PM CST
The "problem" of the peat pot not disintegrating is a function of moisture and soil organism activity. If there isn't enough moisture or there are any soil "microbes" to aid in in the peat wall deconstruction, than yes, peat pots seem to last forever. In Arizona, I would imagine both of these factors come in to negative play. "Live Forever" peat pots are not the fault of the peat pot or the peat pot producer/inventor. It depends on the gardener, how the soil is managed and the total environment.

I start my peppers inside, usually in square peat pots in early March. When I plant them in the garden the first week of June, the bottoms have disintegrated and roots sometimes poke out the lower sides, and I need to handle them gently since the moist pot wall integrity has diminished. But I have also kept them drier inside the house, and the peat will stay intact for all sides of the pot, until I transplant outside. A mulch goes over the garden soil after I transplant, and keeps the soil evenly moist. With my low till, clay based soil, the peat breaks down quickly and I never have problems.
No matter what, a grower will always need to remove at least any part of the peat pot at or above the soil line to prevent moisture wicking.
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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DavidLMO
Nov 9, 2016 10:47 PM CST
For most listed problems above, I quit using them too - wicking problem, roots not being able to get out etc.

Dittos on the little seed starting plug thingys especially those with the mesh covering. They are useless in my experience. Will never, ever use again.

I too took all my remaining peat pots, crushed them and tossed them into my compost heap.
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Name: Steve Claggett
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madcratebuilder
Nov 10, 2016 8:10 AM CST
DavidLMO said:For most listed problems above, I quit using them too - wicking problem, roots not being able to get out etc.

Dittos on the little seed starting plug thingys especially those with the mesh covering. They are useless in my experience. Will never, ever use again.

I too took all my remaining peat pots, crushed them and tossed them into my compost heap.


The mesh covering is what gave me fits. I have purchased a few plants that are in these kind of pugs and I cut the mesh off, that seems to be sufficient.
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Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Nov 10, 2016 10:43 PM CST
I discovered the problem several years ago. Had some purchased plants that died and I was scratching my head trying to figure out why. I dug them up and shook of the dirt. The mesh was there with roots trying to get thru. Most had not and the plant died. Therein I stopped using them.
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Kat2014
Nov 12, 2016 8:06 AM CST
A few years ago I bought some "cheap" peat pots at a job-lot discount store. I started some veggies in them. Plants grew to a certain point, then began dying off. I was able to save only a few plants, by getting them out of the peat pots and shaking off most of the dirt, then replanting in conventional pots with new soil. (Temps around here at the time were still too cold to set the plants out in the garden.) As I had successfully used peat pots in the past, I had to conclude that there was something toxic in those particular pots. No compost pile for the rest of those pots! In the trash barrel they went.
I've since been using Activia Yogurt containers for some of my seed starting. Although they're small, there's nothing toxic there, and the sides are straight, so removing the seedlings is easy. I just poke a slit in the bottom of a container with a sharp paring knife for drainage.
Name: J.R. Baca
Pueblo West Co. ( High Dessert (Zone 6a)
josebaca
Nov 14, 2016 8:51 PM CST
I've never had any problem with them, though I use a brand that has extensive products in the seed starting/growing business and will buy them only in the off-season.

When fall cleanup comes around, I'll occasionally pull tomato or pepper plants that still have the peat pot still attached to their roots and they busted right through. But as the years go by, I find myself using them less and less, though I do like the additional organic material they add to my soil, but being the skinflint that I am, I have found a cheaper, as in FREE! , alternative that leaves practically nothing behind and what little is left the earthworms dine on over the winter....'nuff said. Just look up ' origami newspaper planting pots' on Youtube. You'll have a selection to pick from, but in my opinion, the best one is the square folding one. You'll have dirty 'inky' fingers, but it's well worth the time and effort.

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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Nov 15, 2016 9:47 AM CST
@josebaca
I just love your ideal ! Especially the free part ! HOHO HAHA HEHE !!!
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Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
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Barbalee
Nov 15, 2016 10:13 AM CST
I'll thank you right now!! I agree with Philip~ I agree
Philipwonel said:@josebaca
I just love your ideal ! Especially the free part ! HOHO HAHA HEHE !!!
Dang it ! Are you a rocket scientist #
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Name: J.R. Baca
Pueblo West Co. ( High Dessert (Zone 6a)
josebaca
Nov 15, 2016 9:23 PM CST
Philipwonel & Barbalee;
To quote an NGA hero of mine by the username of Moonhowl........

I tip my hat to you. you are both welcome.
Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 8b)
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kittriana
Nov 16, 2016 6:56 AM CST
The next step in evolution for peat is coal. If you cannot maintain proper moisture for it, it hardens like a brick. Same principal as clay in burlap bags meant to contain a trees roots until planting. Must be removed for the plant to grow. When you move your plant outdoors or even just up pot, the peat has to go. The conditions of a starter pot aren't maintained. Yup, see folks using paper towel rollers (cut down) newspaper, cardboard egg cartons, even just paper mache to start seeds in. Its the bugs from The Bug Thicket I live near that are my baby plants waterloo.
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