Brugmansias forum: Need info on a Datura

Views: 528, Replies: 9 » Jump to the end
Name: Meri Taylor
SD (Zone 4b)
Image
mnmat
Nov 17, 2016 11:42 AM CST
I realize this isn't a Datura forum but since Datura and Brugs get mixed up all the time I'm hoping someone can help me.

I grew 2 nice Purple People Eater that I started from seed and had in the ground mid May. They got between 3 and 4' tall and bloomed all summer.

Mid June I let one seed pod from each plant start to develop. The seed pods are not spiny. The pods are purple and green in color and perfectly smooth with a turtle like pattern and about the size of a golf ball.

Its the middle of November with a big snow storm due tonight but the pods are still green with no sign of drying out.

Any idea why they're not spiny? Should I have let the seed pods develop right from the start instead of waiting until partway thru the summer? Will the pods dry out if I bring them in the house?

I've never grown Datura before. Other flowers I start closer to fall to start saving seed.

I'm stumped!
Meri
Name: Chantell
Middle of Virginia (Zone 7a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America Region: Virginia Garden Photography Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Dog Lover
Bee Lover Hummingbirder Cottage Gardener Tropicals Herbs The WITWIT Badge
Image
Chantell
Nov 17, 2016 2:36 PM CST
Meri - I've only grown the ones with the spiny seed pods. Let me redirect a few MAGers over and see if they can assist.
What would YOU attempt if you KNEW you wouldn't fail?
http://www.stillsthatspeak.com...
Name: Sally
central Maryland
Seriously addicted to kettle chips.
Charter ATP Member Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Mid-Atlantic Composter Region: Maryland Birds
Cat Lover Dog Lover Region: United States of America
Image
sallyg
Nov 18, 2016 5:53 AM CST
This site has a picture of Datura metel pod that is smooth and turtle shell like
https://nhgardensolutions.word...
There are a couple species of Datura with different amounts of spines. (metel, stramonium, inoxia, wrightii)

How it grew wouldn't affect the amount of spines. Whether the seeds are far enough along to save and grow.. Shrug! I dunno. June till now seems long enough for them to mature.
..come into the peace of wild things..-Wendell Berry
Life is a buffet (anon)
[Last edited by sallyg - Nov 18, 2016 5:54 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #1320272 (3)
Name: Danita
GA (Zone 7b)
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Hummingbirder Salvias Butterflies Birds
Plant Identifier Vegetable Grower Container Gardener Seed Starter Cat Lover Region: Georgia
Image
Danita
Nov 18, 2016 7:11 AM CST
There are no guarantees that this will work, but you could try cutting a foot long, or so, length of the stem with the pod and some leaves attached and put it in a vase/jar with water, like a cut flower. Then place it in a bright window during the daytime so that the leaves can continue to photosynthesize and finish ripening the seeds. Depending on the type of plant, some cuttings will end up rooting while others seem to divert everything they have into ripening the seeds and leaves and stems shrivel and die in the process. I've not done it with Datura, specifically, but it's often worked for me with other plants that had pods that were near being ripe but not quite.

Of course, the other option is to dig up the roots and store them somewhere cool that stays above freezing since Datura is actually a short-lived tender perennial. If you left the stem with the seed pods attached to the roots, then you may buy enough time to ripen the seeds and have the stored roots as well.

Whatever you do, be sure to keep the sap out of your eyes and wash up well after handling the plant. Smiling
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
Plant Identifier Garden Sages
Image
stone
Nov 18, 2016 7:56 AM CST
I've grown those double purple datura.... And the lack of spines is normal.
The length of time for ripening is also normal. Next time, try not cutting anything off.
I would not try cutting stems, or digging the plant.... I would try to keep the plant alive by covering with a bed sheet during light frosts and graduate to a quilt when the frosts get heavier.
Sadly, even when I was able to collect tons of pods, I had trouble getting mature seed to germinate, and eventually didn't have that datura in the garden.
Next time.... Maybe grow the datura in a large pot.... As slow growing as those things are, I had far more blooms on a second year plant!

Edit:
Oops.... South Dakota.....
Better cover with a quilt before the storm.... And after the storm? Maybe an electric blanket?
[Last edited by stone - Nov 18, 2016 7:59 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #1320307 (5)
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
Image
DavidLMO
Dec 1, 2016 10:44 PM CST
@mnmat

Probably too late now, but I would try Danita's advice above. You can easily dig up and repot a Datura and they winter over indoors easily. I have done it several times. Datura is actually a perennial. I have over wintered in Z 5B in my garage and basement.
Seeking Feng Shui with my plants since 1976
Name: Meri Taylor
SD (Zone 4b)
Image
mnmat
Dec 10, 2016 4:41 PM CST
Thank you all for the help. Unfortunately, I forgot about this post so its too late to do anything now. I even forgot where I put the seed pods. I have more seeds in the fridge so I'll try again next year. The seeds have been in there since 2005 and this year I had 3 of 6 germinate. 50% viability doesn't seem too bad for an 11 year old seed!

Next year I will put them in a pot so I can over winter it in the house. The widest pot I have is 14". Would that be big enough?

Here's a pic of a bloom
Thumb of 2016-12-10/mnmat/357e4c

Meri
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
Image
DavidLMO
Dec 10, 2016 7:29 PM CST
@mnmat You can start the seeds indoors over winter so as to get a head start.

Unless your plant is truly huge, 14 " will be more than adequate. I have over wintered them in gallon containers.

I have ~ 6 plants in a 14 " container - currently in my garage, though I may move them to the basement.
Seeking Feng Shui with my plants since 1976
Name: Meri Taylor
SD (Zone 4b)
Image
mnmat
Dec 10, 2016 10:12 PM CST
David, This is my first year with a basement. If you put plants down there do you have to keep a light on them? Its awfully dark otherwise. I don't have a garage or any sheds as they were so old and falling down that I had to get rid of them.

And do I water them?
Meri
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
Image
DavidLMO
Dec 11, 2016 1:43 PM CST
Meri.

Yes and Yes. Some things can handle dark, most cannot. It is a matter of what you have and how dormant they will become. I have lights on ~ 12 hours. I have 2 400 watt metal halides and several banks of T-8 fluorescents.

Watering is delicate. That again is a function of the plant. I have to water some things virtually every day - large Brugmansias and an Oleander.

There are lots of threads here and tons of info on the Net.

Where I am at now is a function of years and years of practice. There is no magic way of doing it.

To me it is worth it cause I have so many tropicals and plants that I would rather try to over-winter rather than buy each year - e.g. Lantana.
Seeking Feng Shui with my plants since 1976

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Brugmansias forum
You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.

Member Login:

Username:

Password:

[ Join now ]

Today's site banner is by parttimegardener and is called "bee on trifoil flower"