I am a home gardener so I spend most of my free time outside working on my plant beds. I have had a hard time this year with various health issues that I was not plagued with in previous years. Lack of energy, achy joints, tiredness are some symptoms that I suffered. Went to the doctor and got bloodwork done and found nothing wrong. I just came across a website where some people said that they experienced flu like symptoms after chemtrails were sprayed in their areas. Just wondering if there is any merit in this claim. Since there are alot of gardeners on NGA, I wonder if you all have any experiences with this chemtrail exposure. What do you do to alleviate or treat it?

I live directly under the traffic of the Toronto Pearson airport. I can assure you that condensation trails from airplane exhaust are not used to maliciously spread chemical or biological agents. (Personally, I'm more worried about "blue ice" that airplanes sometimes leak mid-flight.)

First you have to believe that they exist. The idea of "chemtrails" is a conspiracy theory that began around 20 year or so ago.

Phenolic, that is truly gross! I know what to look out for should something like fall in my yard. Yuck!

Horntoad, has the conspiracy theory ever proven?

kousa said:Phenolic, that is truly gross! I know what to look out for should something like fall in my yard. Yuck!

Horntoad, has the conspiracy theory ever proven?

Only in the minds of conspiracy theorist. They believe that the government is using contrails to hide various "maliciously chemical or biological agents" as @Phenolic pointed out.

Phenolic said:I live directly under the traffic of the Toronto Pearson airport. I can assure you that condensation trails from airplane exhaust are not used to maliciously spread chemical or biological agents. (Personally, I'm more worried about "blue ice" that airplanes sometimes leak mid-flight.)

So, is that what "chemtrails" refers to? (I've never actually heard that term before.)

I can, however, imagine chemicals being used for spraying yards, orchards, farm fields, railroad right-of-ways, and who knows what else, that could adversely affect someone living nearby.

As far as the "blue ice" -- I've had the thought that I could be out in my garden and get hit in the head by a chunk and killed, then the ice would melt and my death would be an unsolved mystery.. well, not the worst way to go, I guess!

Weedwhacker said:
So, is that what "chemtrails" refers to? (I've never actually heard that term before.)

Contrails = Condensation trails, the trails seen behind aircraft when their hot exhaust hits the cold air in the atmoshpere.
Chemtrails = Chemical trails, which are contrails laced with various bad chemical, secretly placed there by the government or sometimes the government is supposed to blatantly spray chemicals and just claim that they are contrails.

Have you been checked for Lyme?

No, I haven't had that checked. Though I don't have deers around here and my yard is an open lot. I remember having symptoms described only if I am outside most of the day.

You could be having allergies to various pollen in the air. People can develop allergies as they age, even if they never had any kind of allergies before. Some plants are more prevalent some years than others and pollen might be heavier some years. Do you notice certain times of the year when you feel worse, like spring or autumn?

There are so many ways that we take in chemicals and toxins everyday. You might want to look into some natural ways to cleanse the body, it can't hurt but might help.

kousa said: I have had a hard time this year with various health issues that I was not plagued with in previous years.

Lack of energy, achy joints, tiredness are some symptoms that I suffered.

Went to the doctor and got bloodwork done and found nothing wrong. I just came across a website where some people said that they experienced flu like symptoms after chemtrails were sprayed in their areas. Just wondering if there is any merit in this claim.

Since there are alot of gardeners on NGA, I wonder if you all have any experiences with this chemtrail exposure.

What do you do to alleviate or treat it?

While I've heard of the chemtrail conspiracy theory... It wouldn't be my first consideration.

And while the question of allergies has merit...

I would have to ask you about your diet, and what chemicals you are using in the garden.

After exposure to various nasty chems due to working in migrant agriculture.... I have exactly your symptoms, and while I have some good days, I find it necessary to rest a day or two after putting in a good days work.

I don't just have "Lack of energy, achy joints, tiredness", I also have heavy gravity days....

Also....
Do you drink alcohol? Suffer from depression?

What is your emotional climate? sometimes emotional stress can trigger physical symptoms....

Personally, I found that a lot of my symptoms responded to giving up drinking.... But I've lived a hard life, sleeping on the frozen ground, living on food out of the trash... or... simply going hungry.

And.... pushing myself.... beyond my normal endurance... working too hard.... can cause permanent damage, just like sitting too much.

There are a lot of issues that can be indicated by fatigue...
I was watching "second opinion" recently, the guest had been diagnosed with CFS, and... they mentioned that thyroid problems had similar symptoms...

I reckon that Fibromyalgia also has similar symptoms.... but... you probably shouldn't immediately jump to the diseases that have no cure, or even a definitive test.....

Rather, try eating your veggies, and practice some moderation in your life....

From the CDC, check out the map! As you said if you only have the symptoms going outside, prob an outside allergen.
http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/

Thank you everyone for offering other explanations for my symptoms. I will continue to closely monitor when these symptoms occur and make a record of their occurence. For now, I know that I only got these symptoms after working outside for more than 2 hours. Some days I got them and other days I did not. Due to the cold weather, i have stopped working outside and noticed that I no longer suffer these symptoms.

all of your symptoms I experience after eating wheat. I get so sleepy I can't hold my eyes open, I feel gloomy, tired, achy and just plain awful. I have eaten wheat my whole life and felt fine until after I had my son and was sick all the time. After about 15 years (long story) and a diagnosis of fibro, I stopped eating wheat after a positive allergy test. I feel better than I have in years, I have energy and don't feel sleepy and so now I actually sleep at night. My headaches and brain fog are so much better, the difference is remarkable for me. But it is hard not to eat it!

I am glad that you found the cause to your symptoms, Frillylily. It is really hard to tell what mine maybe. Fortunately, I am not allergic to wheat. Had an allergy test done and the doctor told me that I am allergic to fragrance, perfumes, and thimerosal.

have you noticed any pattern to your ill feelings, like hormone related?
If you have well water, you might have it tested to see if it has any chem run off from nearby areas, I don't think this is too pricey and should be done once in a while probably anyway.
Someone mentioned having the thyroid checked, wouldn't be a bad idea, was that included in your check up you had? it usually is.
I hope you do figure out what it is. Oh, and could be something at your work place, not at home? Is strange that you feel bad after working in your yard though.

Yes, I had all that checked. Everything is normal. I get municipal water. We have a reverse osmosis system and a whole house declorinator filter so I don't think my water is the problem.