Plant Database forum: What happens when you merge one plant entry with another? Re: Lisianthus

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Name: Teresa
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TsFlowers
Nov 29, 2016 11:21 AM CST
So if one is merged with another, does the one merged entry become a sub-category?

I only ask this because I was looking at the Lisianthus classification. Based on my web search in respects to my ordering these plug plants wholesale, it appears that within the last few years, new names have arisen. For instance the 'Rosanne', 'Doublini' and 'Rosita' strains. Anyway, my guess is that they are strains from hybrid selections by the seed growers.

When I started selling Lisianthus, the common names were, 'Echo', 'Avila', 'Balboa', 'Catalina' and then 'Mariachi'. Then I was told that the growers or source of seeds have combined the best of the Avila, Balboa and Catalina varieties to become now known as 'ABC'.

There are also such names as Cinderella, Lizzy, Laguna.

I guess why I am asking, and what I wonder, is if database items could have subcategory for colors, especially when speaking of annual type plants. It seems it would be nice if there was one entry for "Lisianthus Mariachi" variety, and then sub-category under that for each color that can be obtained in the Mariachi variety.

What appears to me is that these varieties (strains) are changing all the time (or within years), with exception of the Echo variety. Or perhaps I should say the names are changing. Perhaps the strains are getting a little better, or different, but new names attached to some.
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Australis
Nov 29, 2016 4:06 PM CST

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Hi Teresa,

@Zuzu or one of the other DB admins will be able to answer this for you, but each cultivar should have its own entry in the database. Multiple names for the same cultivar are supported if they've added new names.

Multiple colours for the same cultivar would just be placed under the same entry - there is a field you can add to show the different colours. Alternatively, you can add a comment to the entry.

Update: see Zuzu's answer to this below.
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Name: Zuzu
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Nov 29, 2016 6:28 PM CST

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Teresa, I'm busy with something else at the moment, but tonight I will update our Lisianthus cultivars. The Lisianthus plants to which you're referring, by the way, are now known as Eustoma exaltatum subsp. russellianum. Mariachi, Echo and others are Eustoma series and are broken down into colors. We have some of them listed in our database, but not all. We have two entries for different colors of the Mariachi series, for example, but I see eleven of them on the Sakata site. I'll add all the ones I can find tonight.
Name: Teresa
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TsFlowers
Nov 29, 2016 7:21 PM CST
Take your time for sure, if you feel it necessary to do. I was going to post a couple photos of Lizzy colors pink and white. It's a variety (bedding type - short) that I can't even find commercially any more. That's when I thought it would be nicer to have all colors in one group just under the variety name. Possibly me too, in a few days, I'll add the Lizzy colors White and Pink with photos and details.

Have fun @zuzu ! And I'm still curious what happens in a database plant entry if one chooses the "merge this plant" with another.
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AND . . . always hear both sides of the story before making a judgment.
Name: Teresa
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TsFlowers
Nov 29, 2016 7:24 PM CST
This is a different topic really, but where do you put a patent number in the database fields? All the lily varieties in the 'Tiny' Series are Lily Looks and many already have a patent number, but ALL are ppaf or the patent has been applied for ? I was going to try to help and enter this information myself, but I didn't want to make a mess of things. I saw where you put the TM (trade mark or trade name), but didn't see a field for patent information. Thanks.
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AND . . . always hear both sides of the story before making a judgment.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2016 7:27 PM CST

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When you merge plants, the system moves all of the photos, owner information, and comments to the entry with the lowest plant ID#. Names and the plant growing data are not moved. For this reason, it usually takes some preparatory work to copy the alternative names and plant data to the entry with the lowest ID#. It's a tool that's usually used to merge obsolete species entries with entries showing the accepted names.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2016 7:33 PM CST

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The patent information is entered in the "Miscellaneous" block of the plant data details. To enter a patent number, go to the entry, click on "Edit data details," and then check the "Patented" box in the "Miscellaneous" block. This will provide a field for the number. If an entry currently says PPAF and you have an actual patent number, delete the PPAF and enter the number in its place.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 30, 2016 1:12 AM CST

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I've added more than a hundred cultivars so far, Teresa, and I've just found more on the Web, but I'm getting tired, so I'll add more tomorrow night.

You were right about the ABC series, by the way. They are former Avila, Balboa, and Catalina plants. For some reason, however, one of the Avila plants (Ivory) was left in Avila instead of being moved to ABC.

You'll find them all in the Eustoma genus.

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