Plant ID forum: plant ID for friend

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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Nov 30, 2016 11:59 AM CST
A friend took a photo of a plant in IN. I hope someone recognized what it is.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 30, 2016 12:53 PM CST
At first I thought of Tall Verbena (Verbena bonariensis) but I don't think that's right and I don't really have a clue. It sure is pretty whatever it is and I hope someone comes along with an ID real soon because I'm very curious ... gorgeous photo!

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Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 30, 2016 1:18 PM CST
Given the time of year and the colour, I'm wondering about Caryopteris.
Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Nov 30, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Or maybe scabiosa.
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Name: Arlene
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abhege
Nov 30, 2016 3:55 PM CST
I was thinking Caryopteris but just doesn't quite look like it. Just not sure. Leaves seem similar.
Name: Danita
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Danita
Nov 30, 2016 4:08 PM CST
Check out Pycnanthemum.
There are a few similar looking ones, like Pycnanthemum tenuifolium, Pycnanthemum virginianum, etc.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 30, 2016 4:11 PM CST
Arlene, I thought the same thing but what I wondered is whether it got zapped by cold and if that might explain the somewhat different look. I think they tend not to be hardy colder than zone 6 and sometimes things that flower late in the year don't get a chance to fully do their thing if there's an early cold snap. It might be something else, it wouldn't be hardy here so I don't actually know what it looks like when frosted/frozen. I've only grown Caryopteris in the equivalent of USDA Zone 9 Sighing!
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Nov 30, 2016 4:18 PM CST
To me it looks more like caryopteris nipped by frost than the Pycnanthemum-virginianum. Flower is tighter. I don't know.
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Nov 30, 2016 4:21 PM CST
Danita, as I look at all the other photos, I think you are right!!!
Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 30, 2016 4:27 PM CST
Arlene, I don't suppose your friend can go back and snip off a stem? If it is Pycnanthemum the stem should be square (mint family). Do you know if it is growing wild or cultivated?
Name: Arlene
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abhege
Nov 30, 2016 4:44 PM CST
I can ask him but I think he just found it at an abandoned homesite. Good idea though.
Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Nov 30, 2016 5:50 PM CST
Yes, Danita, now that you say Pycnanthemum! It reminds me of Pycnanthemum tenuifolium, which is native to Indiana.
http://www.kansasnativeplants....
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 30, 2016 6:17 PM CST
Thumbs up It might be Pycnanthemum: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/...
P. virginianum: https://www.google.com/search?...

edited to correct my spelling.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 30, 2016 6:26 PM CST
I just found that top picture too, Lin, the bluest I've seen so far.

P. muticum according to the enlargement:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.or...
Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

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plantladylin
Dec 1, 2016 9:16 AM CST
I just love the deep, dark blue color of those spent seedheads and it sure does appear to be Pycnanthemum of some sort. There are a couple of Pycnanthemum found in Indiana. It may be my eyesight but the leaves on the plant in Arlene's photo appear to be quite narrow in shape, more like those of:
Narrowleaf Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum tenuifolium) which is found in a few counties in Indiana.
http://indiana.plantatlas.org/...
http://www.wildflower.org/plan...

Pycnanthemum verticillatum is reported in Marion County, Indiana but it's leaves appear broader in shape: http://indiana.plantatlas.usf....

I sure hope an exact ID can be found because Arlene's photo would make a great addition to our database!





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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Dec 1, 2016 9:30 AM CST
It's not your eyes, Lin, or if it is then it's my eyes too Hilarious! The leaves on Arlene's plant do look narrower than the bluest Pycnanthemum in the pics, which was P. muticum.

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