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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Dec 9, 2016 4:55 PM CST
I ordered 10 "free " trees from arbordayfoundation.com early this summer.

Long story short, I got them yesterday.. but it's already snowed..... do I grow them indoors?

The ground seems too cold already. They were supposed to arrive this fall....
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stone
Dec 9, 2016 5:16 PM CST
Yeah, it's autumn here, perfect weather for setting out trees, unfortunately everybody wants to send stuff to us in the "Spring" when it's already too hot.
What I would do...
Is plant them all together in a container, and keep the container in the garage or under the house, and set those babies out in the Spring.

They send such small trees, you might even temporarily plant them in the vegetable garden for a year or two, before attempting to grow them in the yard.
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Dec 9, 2016 5:52 PM CST
bhart90 said:I ordered 10 "free " trees from arbordayfoundation.com early this summer.

Long story short, I got them yesterday.. but it's already snowed..... do I grow them indoors?

The ground seems too cold already. They were supposed to arrive this fall....
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Brenden, I had a similar issue with the Arbor Day Foundation last year. Is your ground frozen already? And, how do the trees look -- are they dormant? (or still with leaves?) If they appear dormant, you could probably stick them in the ground -- in your garden, or maybe somewhere right near the foundation of your house, and hope for the best. However, I would contact the ADF and let them know -- I suspect they will send you replacements in the spring.
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plantmanager
Dec 9, 2016 6:07 PM CST
I also had the same problem one year. I planted them all together in one large pot, and kept them in the garage all winter. I planted them out in the Spring. Most of them did ok. A few croaked.
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Name: Brenden Reinhart
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bhart90
Dec 9, 2016 6:11 PM CST
Ugh the word garage scares me. No light.

It's a shame. But I'll try thanks guys and gals

And yea there 100% dormant
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Dec 9, 2016 6:22 PM CST
Do you have any indoor room with light? Maybe a guest room? I have kept plants in mine with the window open, but no heat vents open. Things do fine when they are dormant.
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Coppice
Dec 10, 2016 5:45 AM CST
A dormant tree does not need light.

A dormant tree can be planted after frost (or) snow if soil can be worked.

A hardy deciduous (or evergreen) tree will become mummified with indoors Heat.

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Name: Sandy B.
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Dec 10, 2016 8:37 AM CST
Coppice said:A dormant tree does not need light.

A dormant tree can be planted after frost (or) snow if soil can be worked.

A hardy deciduous (or evergreen) tree will become mummified with indoors Heat.



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sooby
Dec 10, 2016 9:13 AM CST
Some trees don't do well planted in fall and are better transplanted in spring but it depends on the species. Brenden, do you know which tree species you have? Are they bareroot or with some medium around the roots?

I was also going to say they don't need light (if they were seedlings outdoors under a snow drift they wouldn't get much other than what might filter through the snow depending on density and depth). I too would be inclined to plant them somewhere sheltered at this point, the ground is barely surface frozen even here in Zone 4, although that won't be for much longer since it has now turned cold. The soil temperature stays warmer than the air temperature as we approach winter (and is something that could also be checked with a thermometer).

I also agree that they may not do well indoors, but I don't quite understand why they would mummify? What I would see happening would be that they would leaf out in the warmth if any dormancy chilling requirements have been satisfied already (how were they stored before mailing one might wonder). If a dormancy chilling need has not been met then that could present a problem.

Whether they would do well in a pot in the garage would also depend on how warm (or not) the garage is. If the garage is away from the house and unheated like ours then they may even be more vulnerable in a pot than in the ground outside and mulched. If the garage is heated then if it made them leaf out the lack of light would indeed become an issue.
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Dec 10, 2016 11:49 AM CST
Arrowood viv.
Bur oak
Gray dogwood
Northern red oak
river birch
Tuliptree
Colorado blue spruce
Sargent crabapple
Washington hawthorn

Bare root. Sitting in dim corner of my indoor grow room.

so final say please. Should I try growing them in here?

heated greenhouse?
straight in frozen is ground if I can work it up?
Or big pot outside

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Name: Sue
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sooby
Dec 11, 2016 6:19 AM CST
Based on the list I have here, the birch and tulip tree may be the most likely to resent being moved in fall. Hopefully the trees have not been in your grow room very long if it is at all warm, dormant trees that have had enough chilling may lose their cold hardiness if exposed to warmer temperatures for long enough.

It's hard to answer the question for you without knowing exactly what options might be available and exactly what your soil condition is and where you are able to locate the plants. I would at the very least get them into a large pot of potting mix and move them to somewhere cool. Then you have the option of keeping them in a garage (unless much heated) or sinking the pot in the ground outside somewhere sheltered and then mulching it.

Edited to add I just looked at your forecast and it has -2F (-19C) overnight for later in the week. It's not that much better for Tuesday and Wednesday. The garage, unless heated much above freezing, may now be your better option.
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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Dec 11, 2016 6:44 AM CST
Garage it iz
Brenden
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Dec 11, 2016 10:41 AM CST
I agree with @sooby. They need cold domancy. Not frozen roots.
I would give them each there own pot. Though , if possible!!!
The spruce needs some light though. I believe !!!
A cool protected outdoor patio
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sooby
Dec 11, 2016 2:42 PM CST
The spruce will be fine in the dark, Philip, unless the garage is too warm. Seedling conifers spend months covered over with snow in northern climates. I have one that is covered with an inverted bucket each winter while it is still small so that it doesn't get damaged by heavy loads of snow being dumped on it by snow clearing operations.
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Dec 13, 2016 10:34 AM CST
Yea, the garage is not heated, were good in that angle
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Dec 13, 2016 10:39 AM CST
I didn't read all the replies here but if it were me I'd go outside and dig some holes all in a row and plant them. Pile mulch up around them and also wrap them with something to keep critters from eating the bark (rabbits mostly or mice) then next spring you can plant them exactly where you want them. I had some trees one year I just heeled into a large mound of mulch and they over-wintered fine. I planted them in early March before they leafed out.
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Dec 13, 2016 10:45 AM CST
Yea, the ground is frozen solid. Plan b
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