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Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jun 24, 2019 8:00 AM CST
Thank you, Rick. We can't predict,,..all of the seeds, that will be donated, next time & can only guess, according to old seeds lists, what may appear again. Something new, or different, may show up & something else, may not appear,at all the next year, for some seeds, is what I'm thinking. I appreciate your response.
Name: Mark McDonough
Massachusetts (Zone 5a)
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AntMan01
Jul 2, 2019 8:29 PM CST
Leftwood said:Sometimes the listings marked as just "species" (rather than a named species) can be real gems.
From last year's NARGS seed ex, Allium sp.:

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I have yet to grow a real Allium beesianum from a seed ex. They always turn out to be imposters. But maybe this time I will get lucky.

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First one does not look like an allium species, of course the single flower is not open yet, there's only one single-flowered Allium species, and that does not look like it. The second one is just in early bud, so no way of really telling at this point.

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Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jul 3, 2019 9:01 AM CST
I suppose, the British Alpine group, may not be able to send seeds, but what about the Scottish Rack Garden Society, as a club member, with their "seed exchanges.".. Wonder if they can send seeds, with proper papers , or simply, just avoid ordering any "wild collected seeds' of Endangered Species ?
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Jul 3, 2019 8:19 PM CST
Hi Mark,
I almost thought the same thing about that first one, initially. But they are umbels. Additionally, the seed was donated by Panayoti, hence I thought it would be a good one to try. It's been slow to develop, but blooming soon!

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Shawn, you need to get a Small Lots Seed Permit from the USDA, to import any non-commercial seed legally from outside the USA. https://www.nargs.org/small-lo... Foreign plant societies are obligated to abide by USDA rules, and you will need a permit. Wild collected seed is normally okay, as long as it is not considered invasive or endangered. The USDA has a list for that, too.
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Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jul 4, 2019 8:23 AM CST
Rick, thanks for that. I'd imagine if it it's seeds from P.K. then I would take his word, on it being the real thing. Because, how can you be certain, what others may show online, is actually the "real thing' when you know P.K. has access, to all sorts...
As I stay off that Social media & avoid it like the "Plague' , I haven't kept up, with what he has been doing lately, these days !

But enjoy being here, along with many others & everybody seems, to be rather fun & enjoyable, instead of like some maddening crowd & continuous, TMI "overload" ! lol...
I sure don't care for any , FOMO & it just doesn't "create" a feeling like that here at all....,
I don't need to know or "see", what's on another's plate, they had for dinner.. & has turned into a personal website, of repetition of ones online already out there,for just about everything..
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Seed Starter Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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Leftwood
Jul 4, 2019 7:58 PM CST
I'm right with you there. Not on facebook, although I'm sure I am missing out on on some of the specialty plant groups, but I just don't want to spend all my time that way. Maybe when I retire.... I do enjoy PK's Prairie Break. Had to look up FOMO: Exactly right. Most of society's crowd feel they need to try to do everything, and therefore do nothing well. Sorry. There is not enough time in the world to do that. I have a thousand things I would like to do, but I actually do very few, and get a lot more out of it.

Actually, my reference to PK was that the allium would likely be worthy to try, even without a species name.
And so it is!
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jul 4, 2019 9:04 PM CST
Well, what a wonderful surprise that must be ! Hope you had great Fourth, of July. It started to rain in the middle of the "works" but there was still a grand finale.

I'm not so sure I'm missing out on all that much. It just becomes like a form of gaining control, over your personal communications. Don't need that, to call someone, or email... As for groups, I've done been there & did that already & isn't much different than being anywhere else... I have fun collecting plants & seeds, no matter where I am, or where I go.. & I sure don't need that social media, to get it done, either !
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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CarolineScott
Aug 26, 2019 9:24 PM CST
Project for September 2019 is to get seeds packaged and sent in to NARGS.
Still have some seeds from spring to start as a winter sow.
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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CarolineScott
Nov 11, 2019 5:05 PM CST
Still here but having problems with old technology.
Name: Mark McDonough
Massachusetts (Zone 5a)
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AntMan01
Nov 13, 2019 10:55 AM CST
Hi Rick, don't know how I missed seeing your follow-up post on the Allium, could be sikkimense or beesianum depending on the dimensions of the floral parts, the flowers still in buds not yet opened, so can't say for certain which of the two species it is. Do you have a photo of PK's Allium when it finally opened?

Hello Shawn, so far as FOMO, had to look it up too, fortunately I'm not suffering that affliction. I do follow a number of FB plant groups, some of the specialty ones are particularly useful for the level of botanical expertise available, but I only occasionally check into forums and social media any more. In my long 18 month divorce, I also have shaken off the TV habit, feels good.

Hi Caroline, I'm trying to remember when I first joined NEC NARGS (New England Chapter NARGS), I was in my latter teens, so about 47 years. I do like going to the meetings, and helping out in various ways. But our group is growing old, I used to be "kid" in the group, and at 65 I'm still a kid in the group compared to most members. On Saturday I'm giving a presentation to our chapter, the third in a series, this one called "Garden Lab - Seedy Experiments - Part 3 (DIY)". Here's two photos from the talk, Lilium japonicum pod, which took 7 years to flower from a NARGS member seed sent to me in 2012, and I missed seeing the flower while my divorce was still in progress. Some nice seed harvested, I assume approx half are duds, the other half show embryos, hope I can grow and flower them faster than 7 years, otherwise I'll be 72!

Seed pod of Lilium japonicum (Rick, I know you grow lots of lilies, do you grow this one?). I'm wondering if the flowers were white or pink.
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I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-)
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Seed Starter Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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Leftwood
Nov 13, 2019 5:01 PM CST
More pics of my Allium sp. from PK, and its siblings. All pots (except the one larger in the center- 3.5") are 2.25 in. square.

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Lilium japonicum is shades of pink, usually on the light side. I've only tried germinating the seed once from a seed ex - unsuccessful. But in fact I am going through my lily seeds now, and have some japonicum from the NALS seed ex last season to try. Often I will start my delayed hypogeal germinating lilies in baggies of moist vermiculite or peat. Not only does it take up a lot less room than pots, but it's incredibly fun to watch the development.

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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Name: Mark McDonough
Massachusetts (Zone 5a)
Region: Massachusetts Enjoys or suffers cold winters Garden Procrastinator Native Plants and Wildflowers Garden Photography Foliage Fan
Birds Seed Starter Hybridizer Sempervivums
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AntMan01
Nov 13, 2019 7:15 PM CST
Rick, that's a nice looking little allium from PK. The stamens just slightly surpass the tepals, which might put it into the cyaneum camp, but they're not nearly as strongly exserted as typical cyaneum. And thanks for showing your delayed hypogeal germinating lilies in tidy little packets, and I see just how fun it must be to observe frequently and see the seeds germinating. At what point would you typically pot them up?
Avatar: Jovibarba x nixonii 'Jowan'
I use #2 chicken grit to feed my hens & chicks :-)
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Seed Starter Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Image
Leftwood
Nov 13, 2019 10:28 PM CST
Thanks, Mark.

At what point would you typically pot them up?
They get their 3 months of warm, and I have been giving them their cold treatment still in the baggies in the fridge, and potting them up when they go outside in the spring. I'm sure I am forfeiting some groth in size, delaying good establishment and lacking fertilizer. (I've been afraid to introduce free nutrients, fearing fungal growth.) But I was just talking with a friend a few days ago, and he fertilizes his martagon seeds growing in the same environment without problems, so I will be trying this, too. For some, I also plant up the seeds when I see the radicle first emerging from the seed.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing
Bulbs Region: Canadian Garden Ideas: Master Level Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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CarolineScott
Dec 13, 2019 10:44 AM CST
The list is ready for my Nargs ordering this weekend!

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