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OrchidLover
Dec 24, 2016 12:21 PM CST
I live in NJ. Why my LC Mildred always failed to bloom? It has flower bulbs, but eventually they would turn yellow and never make through the flower stage.
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Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Dec 24, 2016 1:43 PM CST
Welcome! to NGA

Can you take a photo of your plant and post it to this question? Being able to see your plant will help us help you.

But here is some basic information:

LC stands for Laeliocattleya, a hybrid between Laelia and Cattleya. Mildred rives is a really pretty one.

LC's don't have bulbs, they have psuedobulbs: stems that are slightly swollen. The flowers grow at the top of the psuedobulbs, between the last (highest) set of leaves. Each psuedobulb flowers then grows two new psuedobulbs.

LC's require bright light, cool, temperatures and humidity. The most common problem when LC's don't bloom is lack of light. If your plant is bright green, it isn't getting enough light. The color should be a medium green.

Without photos, that is as much advice as I can give you.
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dyzzypyxxy
Dec 24, 2016 2:37 PM CST
Hi and welcome, OrchidLover. Daisy is right, we'll be able to advise you better if you could post a picture of the plant.

Did you mean that your plant made flower "buds" instead of "bulbs" that turned yellow and never made it to flowering? The pseudobulbs (fat stem part below the leaf) don't usually turn yellow before the leaf dies. If that is the case, then it's not a lack of light that is the problem.

Orchid buds give up or "blast" for a variety of reasons. Too hot, too cold, too dry (low humidity) too wet (with me it's rain in the summer) and insect problems are my most common excuses for why my flowers fail to open. Again, if we could see a picture of the plant in its usual growing setting, that at least might narrow down the possiblities.

If we could have your permission, I'd like to suggest we move this question thread over to the Orchids forum where many more orchid experts hang out?
Elaine

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OrchidLover
Dec 25, 2016 6:07 PM CST
From the picture you can see it is almost ready to bloom, but it will never make it through. This the 2nd year. I checked the leave color, it does seem too green. I actually put a plant light after it is getting dark and will turn the light off at mid night
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dyzzypyxxy
Dec 25, 2016 6:40 PM CST
More light in winter sure can't hurt. I'd also increase your watering a bit since you're using the plant light. Keep the humidity up as much as possible too. Spraying with a spray bottle, or sitting the plant on a tray of pebbles can help a lot.

Your plant does look nice and healthy. Crossing Fingers! Hope these buds make it!
Elaine

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OrchidLover
Dec 26, 2016 7:01 AM CST
Thank you! I will give it a try

OrchidLover
Jan 7, 2017 2:26 PM CST
OrchidLover said:I live in NJ. Why my LC Mildred always failed to bloom? It has flower bulbs, but eventually they would turn yellow and never make through the flower stage.
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OrchidLover
Jan 7, 2017 2:31 PM CST
OrchidLover said:I live in NJ. Why my LC Mildred always failed to bloom? It has flower bulbs, but eventually they would turn yellow and never make through the flower stage.
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The flower bulb is turning yellow, I do not think It will bloom. This has happened since the first season in my house. I wonder if this kind of plan can be grown in New Jersey. I really love it so beautiful when it flowers. Any comments are welcome!
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dyzzypyxxy
Jan 7, 2017 3:06 PM CST
It's not unusual for the flower sheath to turn brown before the buds break out. Don't give up on it. I've had flowers come along out of a sheath that was long since brown and crisp. Most of us have learned the hard way to NEVER cut off a sheath even when it has turned brown.

A couple of observations from your picture - first there are little white flecks of something on that sheath and elsewhere in the picture. They could be the beginning of a scale infestation. Check the back sides of all your leaves for white powdery stuff, and rub it off with a damp paper towel (or, I use my fingers). A thorough spray of a spinosad base insecticide (organic approved, but still effective) might be a good idea. You can get it at HD or Lowe's.

Second thing, the leaf in the background looks like it has some hard water deposits on it. That's not terribly serious but the leaf will do a much better job of collecting sunlight if you can clean that off. Again, a damp paper towel and I use a teaspoon of mayonnaise mixed with the water, to help cut the deposits with the vinegar, and leave a shine on the leaves from the oil. Dampen the paper towel, rub the leaf thoroughly with the mixture, then rub again with a dry paper towel. If one app doesn't get all the white deposits, do it again.
Elaine

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OrchidLover
Jan 7, 2017 6:26 PM CST
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The flower bulb is turning yellow, I do not think It will bloom. This has happened since the first season in my house. I wonder if this kind of plan can be grown in New Jersey. I really love it so beautiful when it flowers. Any comments are welcome!


The heavy water deposits on the leaves came from the rain. I took the plant outside later spring ubder a tree and took it inside in October before the night temperature goes below 50 degree. shoukd i not take it outdoor? I got this plant from a orchid show when it was mlooming. I love the white purple color. However since then it never flowered again, it alaeys stopped its flower process just like in the picture.

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dyzzypyxxy
Jan 7, 2017 6:34 PM CST
That flower is not stopped. It still will bloom even if the flower sheath turns yellow or even brown. Just be patient.

Yes, you certainly can grow it outside in the summer as long as you bring it indoors before the nights turn too cold, below about 50deg. As far as growing these Cattleya type orchids in NJ, our Orchids forum moderator @Ursula lives in Fair Lawn and has grown them for years.

You should clean off the leaves so they can absorb the sun better.
Elaine

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sugarcane
Jan 8, 2017 11:23 AM CST
Hi Orchid lover,
Some plants just bloom out of what looks like a dead sheath.. so never cut one off..
Here's one that I thought I had lost and look at it today!

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Some plants also struggle or sulk for a few blooming cycles after leaving a greenhouse where everything is just right to our growing conditions which might be quite different!
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Ursula
Jan 9, 2017 9:02 AM CST

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Hmm, I missed this thread despite Elaine's tag.
In your first picture the developing buds are visible in the sheath and looking fine. I am not sure what is going on in the second picture - a little browning of the sheath is fine for many Cattleyas, but here the angle of the sheath is off. Is there a bend in the sheath? Like something has been leaning on it and bending it forwards?
And I would definitely clean up the scale/white stuff before it gets out of hand.
Btw I see good looking new growth on this plant!
Regarding the plant light - I live in NJ and never use plant lights or additional light in my greenhouse. My Orchids go through their blooming seasons, initiated by the amount of seasonal light and temperatures. Perhaps adding lights at the wrong time/ season could be one of the reason this plant is aborting spikes. It is certainly helpful to make sure the plant gets enough light - intensity, but I could imagine light to almost midnight might confuse this plant into Summer growth, not blooming season.
Does anyone here know when MIldred Rives is supposed to bloom?
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DaisyI
Jan 10, 2017 12:01 PM CST
My thought: if OrchidLover kept the plant outside until temps were in the 50's and then brought it in...

The cool temps and shortening days outside encouraged the plant to set buds. But then the plant is brought into a warm house.

I wonder if OrchidLover needs to find a cool room. Those buds might be failing because its too warm and dry in the house.

OrchidLover
Mar 1, 2017 10:01 PM CST
Hi this is orchid lover again. Thank you for the advise. I have good news. The 2nd flower bulb shows very positive to bloom. What I did was adding LED lights to increase the likelihood gating time and leave water in the bottom plate and let pot sitting on it to keep it very moistrurized. I think during the flower season, it needs a lot of water. That was probably the reason why the flower bulb dried out right before it was ready to bloom.
I have another question. The plant is growing big with many leaves, it is out of shape in a pot and becomes hard to manage. Any suggestions to trim it?
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dyzzypyxxy
Mar 1, 2017 10:33 PM CST
If you could post a picture of the whole plant, that would help us to advise you. Please be sure to post a picture of the flower when it blooms too? We have a thread where we post all our blooms here:
The thread "Our Orchid blooms in March 2017" in Orchids forum

Usually you would never "trim" an orchid because it takes so very long to grow a leaf, and every leaf and pseudobulb nourishes the plant. But you might divide it in half and make two plants out of it, potting them up separately, or simply pot it up into a larger, more stable pot. Need to see a picture so we can help you decide which to do.
Elaine

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OrchidLover
Mar 3, 2017 9:35 PM CST

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This is to show you it is ready to bloom soon
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Ursula
Mar 4, 2017 7:34 AM CST

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This is good to see! Thumbs up
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dyzzypyxxy
Mar 4, 2017 10:16 AM CST
Hurray! I always water (misting) a little bit extra when a plant is breaking buds out. Can't wait to see your wonderful flowers!
Elaine

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OrchidLover
Mar 19, 2017 8:26 AM CST
It is about to bloom!
From the plant size, you see it is growing towards one side of the pot. I have been using plant Velcro to hold the leaves. Should I use a large and deeper pot or should I devide it? I am afraid more leaves will come out in the spring and it will really grow out of the pot.



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