Roses forum: What kind of Rose?

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Ambrose
Jan 8, 2017 3:30 PM CST
This was on our property when we moved here, I believe it's an older variety as I see it on the properties nearby built in the 1950's or earlier. Very winter hardy, as we are in the Detroit area.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jan 8, 2017 5:01 PM CST
It reminds me of Rose (Rosa 'Knock Out') but I don't think they have been around that long.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jan 8, 2017 5:30 PM CST
I don't believe it is a Knock Out. As you said, it is too modern, and the foliage especially looks different. Is it a true red or slightly magenta as I see it?
Porkpal
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Ambrose
Jan 11, 2017 3:41 PM CST
Yes, Porkpal, it definitely has the magenta. I'm not well versed on Roses, so what should I offer it in the spring? Last spring I dosed it with epsom salt and well rotted lamb mulch (which it seemed to like), and cut out all the dead canes.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jan 11, 2017 4:23 PM CST
It sounds as if you are taking good care of it, and it looks healthy. I see no need to change. Unfortunately I can't identify it for you; there are a lot of similar looking roses, and I am no expert.
Porkpal

gardenguy1975
Jan 12, 2017 6:55 PM CST
Roses love banana peels. Last summer I had some bananas going bad and read that banana peels with release nitrogen as they decay. I tried them on my roses last year and I really saw a difference in about 2 weeks.
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Ambrose
Jan 14, 2017 2:53 PM CST
Thank you for your help, Porkpal. The ID is not easy on this one. I agree
And, thanks for the banana peel idea, Gardenguy. I will try this. Smiling
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GardenQuilts
Jan 20, 2017 8:33 PM CST
They like coffee grounds and eggshells too.

There is a natural fertilizer, Rosetone by Epsoma, that is good. They even carry it at Walmart around here (the best price for it last year, especially around the end of the season) Don't fertilize until spring when it starts sending out new growth and winter is past.

A good rule of thumb is to start tending and pruning your roses as the forsythia start blooming.
Name: Andi
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GardenQuilts
Jan 24, 2017 4:25 PM CST
Think it could be blaze? It is listed as a climber, but it is very common in older neighborhoods. The old timers frequently cut the roses to the ground each fall (not recommended but common) and you are in a cold zone, so it may have never been trained as a climber. I have seen lots grown as tall shrubs.

Patticmt1
Jan 27, 2017 10:33 AM CST
I would like to have a shrub rose but the ones I have seen didn't have any fragrance. Is that characteristic of the species? Is there a good smelling one out there?
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jan 28, 2017 6:22 PM CST
@Ambrose ...

The gene for fragrance in roses is a recessive gene. Even if a breeder crosses two fragrant roses, it does not guarantee that the resulting seedlings will be fragrant.

I see that you joined NGA in December 2016. Here is a post where I posted some information written by one of my favorite rose authors in July 2016. It tells you what goes on inside the plant to create fragrance. I found it interesting. I hope you do, too.

https://garden.org/thread/view...
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JessLenny8452
Jan 29, 2017 6:07 AM CST
Nice roses. I can see that you take care of your roses well.

To gardenguy thanks for the banana peel idea.

Patticmt1
Jan 29, 2017 6:24 AM CST
I would like to have a shrub rose but the ones I have seen didn't have any fragrance. Is that characteristic of the species? Is there a good smelling one out there?
Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Jan 29, 2017 10:50 AM CST
There are lots of shrub roses with fragrance.

Here are some that A Reverence for Roses has listed under shrub roses. Quite a few have fragrance.

http://www.areverenceforroses....
Name: Carol H. Sandt
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csandt
Jan 30, 2017 4:09 PM CST
Patticmt1 said:I would like to have a shrub rose but the ones I have seen didn't have any fragrance. Is that characteristic of the species? Is there a good smelling one out there?


I would suggest Cinderella (introduced in 2006 by Kordes-Newflora; KORfobalt). Peter Kukielski's excellent book, "Roses without chemicals" give it a rating of 60/60 for disease resistance, 20/25 for flowering and 9/10 for fragrance, for a total score of 89/100.

He describes Cinderella as follows: "For a rose to be called 'Cinderella' it had better be lovely, and this rose is definitely lovely...As befits a would-be princess, the fragrance is perfect. This is a fantastic grower that can get quite tall, with deep green, extremely healthy foliage."

It is available from Palatine and Roses Unlimited. If I had room for any more pink roses, I would order it myself.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 30, 2017 4:17 PM CST

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Is Kukielski referring to the 1992 Cinderella, aka Korfobalt, Carol? It might be a good thing to add something more specific than the exhibition name of the rose. We have three Cinderellas listed in our database and HelpMeFind.com has seven listed.
Name: Carol H. Sandt
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csandt
Jan 30, 2017 6:52 PM CST
zuzu said:Is Kukielski referring to the 1992 Cinderella, aka Korfobalt, Carol? It might be a good thing to add something more specific than the exhibition name of the rose. We have three Cinderellas listed in our database and HelpMeFind.com has seven listed.


Good idea, Zuzu. I edited the post to include the distinguishing information.
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