Lilies forum: Martagon Lily bulbs

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Buddywillistx
Jan 13, 2017 3:08 PM CST
I have pined over these flowers for several years and last spring, I received a huge lovely bulb from a grower in Canada (I wanted to grow these at the cottage in Northern MI zone 4 . Dappled shade-woodland). I planted it. It did not come up but I understand that it can take a year for these bulbs to re-emerge and get situated. No panic yet.....

Meanwhile, I have just received 10 small bulbs from a grower in WI. I intend to "pot" these and keep them in a refrigerator until I head north. My question is, what would be the best medium or soil combo to do this? I didn't think to bring MI sandy-loamish dirt home.

I understand the bulbs were dug in Nov and refrigerated until shipped to me. Next post (have to switch to phone) is pic of bulbs.












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Arico
Jan 13, 2017 3:13 PM CST
As all woodland plants, martagon lilies enjoy a loose root run with plenty of moisture, yet good drainage. So a loamy soil with leaf mould is a good option to go by :)
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Leftwood
Jan 13, 2017 8:55 PM CST
Any good potting soil would be fine. Water once, let drain for a day, and leave open to the air in the fridge for 2-3 weeks. Then enclose it in a plastic bag and you won't need to do anything until you are ready to take it out.
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crawgarden
Apr 17, 2017 6:42 PM CST
Excited, first ever Marathon for me! Any things I need to watch out for? Thx
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Nhra_20
Apr 17, 2017 6:47 PM CST
yes, it is a horrible Martagon lily. Feel free to dig it up and send it to me!. lol. Just kidding.
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Australis
Apr 17, 2017 6:50 PM CST

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Is this the first season after planting, Rj? Martagons generally take a year to adjust to their new environment.
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crawgarden
Apr 17, 2017 7:31 PM CST
Yes, this is the first spring, planted it last fall. I've read they can be a little touchy the first few years.
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Australis
Apr 17, 2017 8:06 PM CST

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Indeed they can. Don't be surprised if the stem gets partway and then abruptly turns brown (or even if it doesn't get any taller than it currently is) the first season. If your conditions match those of its previous home, then it may even try to flower. If you're interested in martagons, then I thoroughly recommend Eugene Fox's book "Martagon Lilies", which you can get from the NALS:

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DebbieC
May 2, 2017 8:44 AM CST
crawgarden said:Excited, first ever Marathon for me! Any things I need to watch out for? Thx
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Keep an eye out for the Lily beetle if you have that scourge in your area. After they feasted on my asiatics in the sunshine they headed for the Martagons in the shade.
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crawgarden
May 7, 2017 12:56 PM CST
Looks like it might be budding up.
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lilymanrob
May 15, 2017 2:17 AM CST
crawgarden said:Looks like it might be budding up.
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i had one like that, but it went yellow and died. so i investigated the bulb, it was fine except for the lack of roots which seemed to have been nibbled by a white grub?... any ideas?
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Australis
May 15, 2017 3:42 AM CST

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Haven't had any issues with grubs or other pests eating the roots of my bulbs. Was it the first season after planting, or was it a well-established bulb? Did you have any other bulbs in the area that were affected?
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lilymanrob
May 16, 2017 4:47 AM CST
Australis said:Haven't had any issues with grubs or other pests eating the roots of my bulbs. Was it the first season after planting, or was it a well-established bulb? Did you have any other bulbs in the area that were affected?


had it 3 years now. 2 out of 5 failed to flower. they die off every year after emerging. this year this one was very strong, i thought it would make it. then it just yellows off and dies.

im not sure these grubs were feeding on the roots though, or on healthy roots, they might have been eating rotting ones.
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Australis
May 16, 2017 7:10 AM CST

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There are others more experienced than me who can probably advise you better, @lilymanrob. Additional thoughts that come to mind are moisture levels and pH. Does the area with your martagons get too wet? Are the ones that flower in a drier spot? Have you checked the pH where they are planted?
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May 16, 2017 7:14 AM CST

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Soil pH could be a factor, as they prefer a more alkaline soil.
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Semmering
May 16, 2017 7:41 AM CST
Some of my martagons go yellow like that too. The very same behaviour, they emerge only to fade away. But those are small offsprings, first season bulbs growing (uncontrolled by me) from random scales or seed. Next season they are usually ok. Since other, well-established martagons thrive close-by I´ve never suspected problems with the soil. But rather interpreted the dying off as a reaction to abrupt changes of weather, icy nights following a couple of hot, dry days this time of year. Martagons are very fond of drama.
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lilymanrob
May 17, 2017 4:37 AM CST
i mixed my own compost for my potted martagons, and included limestone chippings for darinage and alkalinity. 3 are growing (slowly) but just fine, 2 refuse to get beyond budding up. same compost, same exposure (as they overwinter in a sheltered spot together).
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Leftwood
May 17, 2017 1:42 PM CST
lilymanrob said:2 refuse to get beyond budding up.


The flower buds are likely hording all the plant's energy. Snip off the buds and the stem and foliage will probably start to grow.

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