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Nov 9, 2011 12:02 PM CST
|I bought the seeds for this plant and the only name given was "India Mustard". I believe I may have it in the wrong place in the DB, so I could surely use some investigative assistance to make it right. |
Here we go...
Entire (revived by Autumn's arrival) plant.
Close-up of bloom.
Mature leaves look just like the image shown here - down to the very pinholes to be precise - but they don't say which one the image is of (not that I can see anyway)...
Nov 9, 2011 12:52 PM CST
|The name says Brassica integrifolia chelle. |
Brassica juncea is also called India Mustard..
There's a lot of different varieties of B. juncea..
Only B. juncea is given the name of India Mustard..
Does that fit?
Nov 9, 2011 1:24 PM CST
So, it goes in under B. juncea?
Nov 9, 2011 1:39 PM CST
|India mustard also goes by the name Florida Broadleaf. You may want to Google for pics of it, too, for comparison. It, too, is B. juncea (as are many of the mustards).|
It's one of my favorites, by the way. Young leaves are very mild and can be eaten raw in salads. Great added to stir-fry as well as soups, too.
Nov 9, 2011 2:22 PM CST
|Brassica integrifolia has a very limited distribution, it's almost impossible to find images of it. |
Looking at Florida Broadleaf, which is also B. juncea, the leaves look much broader and more rounded but I would think it's a variety. The leaves on discoverlife look more pointed like yours, but still B. juncea and it really does look like it so yes I would put it under B. juncea.
Compare with other species.. Brassica kaber
Brassica elongata.. impossible to find a decent photo of..
Brassica gallicum now Erucastrum gallicum by the looks..
Brassica campestris ..
Brassica napus ..
Brassica nigra ..
Brassica oleracea ..
Brassica tournefortii ..
Now we should all know more about Brassica.
Nov 9, 2011 2:27 PM CST
|Hi, Shoe. Thank you!|
It's not that one. The leaves on this one stay a nice even green color all season long; only appearing a bit "greener" and fresher-looking with the onset of cold weather.
This is the first year I've grown, or even tasted for that matter, mustard greens. I'm hooked for life! Salads, stir-frys, pickled or fresh right in the garden .....good eatin'! I've saved oodles of seed from this one; I want to make doubly sure of continued harvests!
I'll check those links now. Thanks, again!
Nov 9, 2011 3:16 PM CST
|"Now we should all know more about Brassica"|
Hah! Lots of nice links there, Janet! I'll have to peruse them more in-depth sometime. And yes, you're right, the Fla Broadleaf I've grown does have larger/wider leaves. I can't remember if it is an age issue or not, younger leaves thinner, older leaves wider. I'll see if I took any pics in past years.
Welcome to the mystical world of mustards, Chelle! Ya gotta love 'em!
Nov 9, 2011 3:20 PM CST
|Here you go, Janet and Chelle...|
From my 2009 garden, and definitely more rounded leaves than what you show, Janet. Sorry to take you off course.
Nov 9, 2011 3:32 PM CST
|I'm wanting to grow some myself now Shoe! I did grow something similar many years ago but it was called water cress, a nice peppery taste.|
I found some interesting info about B. juncea!
Brassica juncea is an amphidiploid with Brassica nigra (L.) Koch (2n = 16) and Brassica rapa L. (2n = 20) as parents
Amazing what you can find on links on wiki!
I had a feeling cultivars were developed ..
Many African farmers use their own landraces of farm-saved seed. Brassica juncea can be reproduced by means of self-pollination, allowing for a rapid purification of new selections. East-West Seed Company in Thailand has developed cultivars especially for tropical conditions, e.g. ‘Mayur’ harvestable 30–35 days after sowing or 21–25 days after transplanting, and ‘Laguna’ with bolting tolerance at high temperatures and harvestable 40–45 days after sowing. ‘Suehlihung No.2’ is a cultivar from Taiwan that is resistant to soft rot and viruses. It can be grown year-round in Taiwan and be harvested 20 days after transplanting. The cultivar ‘King Mustard’ produces large and tender green-purple leaves.
Nov 9, 2011 4:00 PM CST
|Okay. I dug out my saved seed....ta-da! It is certainly brassica juncea. Other than that, I still don't know. I'm searching now through all of my partially used seed packs....just in case there's more information there.|
Nov 9, 2011 4:10 PM CST
|Woo-hoo! That did it!|
The plant is "Southern Giant Curled, Long Standing"!!
Well, now I feel really silly about asking for help, but we did learn a lot about brassicas, right?
Thanks for keeping me going, you two!
Nov 9, 2011 4:35 PM CST
|Are you sure chelle? That is very thick and curled at the edges.. a bit like parsley.|
Safer to stick with B. juncea
Nov 9, 2011 5:01 PM CST
|Absolutely sure. As it's written on the seed packet, and it's the only packet of it's type that I had here to plant. It can't be anything else...unless Ferry-Morse packaged it incorrectly and I don't think they did. The edges of my plant's mature leaves were indeed, curled.|
Nov 9, 2011 5:08 PM CST
|They probably start uncurled when young chelle, but this has flowered. I wonder if you had a mixture of seed? It will be interesting if you watch these plants to see what they do. It wouldn't be the first time incorrect seed was mixed in. Do you have any photos of the curled leaves? It would be a good idea to include those.|
Nov 9, 2011 5:54 PM CST
|I wish I did. I may yet get some on the plants in my photos, just depends on the weather and their overall hardiness. They're still out in the garden and growing, but the temps are turning sharply colder today.|
If I don't get those curled leaf pix this season, I surely will by late spring next season.