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Name: Tracy
Bryan Texas (Zone 8b)
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Apr 7, 2018 9:05 AM CST
Im growing arkansas traveler and german queen this year. Both are supposed to take our humidity and heat. Ive grown the German variety before and apparently it is a parent to the mortgage lifter. Excellent slicing tomatoes.
Name: Paul Fish
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PaulF
Apr 7, 2018 12:16 PM CST
Both are nice varieties, but German Queens is not one of the parents of Mortgage Lifter (the original...since there are about fifteen different Mortgage Lifter varieties, it may have snuck in on one of them. Lots of folks attach the Mortgage Lifter name to a variety so it will sell better, much like the name Brandywine).

This is from Tatiana's Tomatobase, the tomato history and variety bible.

Heirloom from 1930s, said to be developed by a radiator repairman and a gardener in West Virginia, "Radiator Charlie" Byles, who crossed the 4 biggest varieties he knew, and created a variety that produced immense, tasty fruit. He paid off his mortgage by selling fruits (or seedlings, as some sources indicate).
The parents are German Johnson, Beefsteak (a.k.a. Red Ponderosa, or Crimson Cushion), and some unknown English and Italian varieties.
Name: Jackie
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GenXNEGeorgia
Apr 10, 2018 8:26 PM CST
I love the history of these heirlooms. I am amazed by nature and, unfortunately, all the potential heirloom produce that people could be eating instead of mass produced, bland varieties.

I am fortunate my fiance has more faith in my gardening skills than I do. After surviving near freezing weather and blooming quite well outside, we replanted the most vigorously growing (and blooming) plants in the Soil3 mixture (plus a little perlite). I'm hoping for some good yields. There are also many baby seedlings upstairs (planted 4/2). Looks like we may have two crops this year. Hurray!

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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Apr 11, 2018 9:38 AM CST
GenXNEGeorgia said:I love the history of these heirlooms. I am amazed by nature and, unfortunately, all the potential heirloom produce that people could be eating instead of mass produced, bland varieties.

I am fortunate my fiance has more faith in my gardening skills than I do. After surviving near freezing weather and blooming quite well outside, we replanted the most vigorously growing (and blooming) plants in the Soil3 mixture (plus a little perlite). I'm hoping for some good yields. There are also many baby seedlings upstairs (planted 4/2). Looks like we may have two crops this year. Hurray!

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Name: Angie
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Hemophobic
Apr 13, 2018 8:53 AM CST
As usual, I'm late to the party, but I've wintersown Mortgage Lifter, Better Boy, Rose, Black from Tula and some tommy toe seeds. If I can get the tommy toes planted, they will return every year in our location. The seedlings are ready to transplant now when I get the time!
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Name: tk
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texaskitty111
Apr 22, 2018 9:24 AM CST
Last year my husbands favorite tomato was Creole. This is my Creole plant.


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So, I recommend them, they are a gopher favorite too.
I did dig it up hoping they had left enough to salvage. Three leaf parts was what I found.


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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Apr 22, 2018 9:31 AM CST
texaskitty111 said:Last year my husbands favorite tomato was Creole. This is my Creole plant.


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So, I recommend them, they are a gopher favorite too.
I did dig it up hoping they had left enough to salvage. Three leaf parts was what I found.


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So sorry!!
Name: Don Shirer
Westbrook, CT (Zone 6a)
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DonShirer
Apr 22, 2018 2:08 PM CST
@texaskitty111
     I sympathize, and empathize as well. Some critters just ate 4 broccoli seedlings I planted out two days ago. They didn't even leave a leaf behind.
Name: tk
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texaskitty111
Apr 22, 2018 2:57 PM CST
It seem the garden pests are in direct preportion with how healthy the plants are. I've always heard the opposite from garden gurus.
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Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
May 4, 2018 9:19 PM CST
Woohoo! Hurray!

Clear Early Pink - 2 plants producing fruit so far Crossing Fingers!
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These are from the "sick plants" Rolling on the floor laughing I hope the rest we saved do as well...
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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
May 5, 2018 9:06 AM CST
Oooooh, little baby tomatoes already. So nice and here I am just planting mine out.
Name: Don Shirer
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DonShirer
May 5, 2018 3:39 PM CST
@GenXNEGeorgia
Jackie:
        I've found more about Clear Pink Early on the web, and am putting it on my list for next year. Quite a few suppliers offer it. I'm hoping to replace a previous favorite (Pink Ping Pong) with a slightly larger variety that doesn't grow as high and CPE seems to fill that bill. Be sure to tell us your results with them when they ripen!
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Yardenman
May 5, 2018 4:14 PM CST
texaskitty111 said:It seem the garden pests are in direct preportion with how healthy the plants are. I've always heard the opposite from garden gurus.


Well what self-respecting gopher would want to eat an unhealthy plant? Seriously, I'm thankful we don't have them here. MY nemesis is Evil Squirrels (and their friend the groundhog). They finally ate everything that sprouted a few years ago and I had to build a chicken wire enclosure around my framed beds.
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Name: Jackie
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GenXNEGeorgia
May 5, 2018 6:32 PM CST
@DonShirer Absolutely -- happy to report back. I am growing everything from seed -- my first big "all-in" tomato garden -- and I'm surprised they've made it this long (many of the season's first seedlings were on the way to the burn pile but my sweet fiance 'saved' them to show me they were fine Hilarious! ) I still started a second set of seedlings and they are actually doing quite well.......maybe tomato-ing is in my future nodding Nothing could be more rewarding to us than canning loads of pasta sauce instead of spending money on commercially grown/processed sauce. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

I absolutely love(d) growing everything from seed....it's so satisfying but it's also easy for me (type A) to 1) go overboard; and 2) think something's wrong if every leaf isn't perfect Hilarious!


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Hemophobic
May 11, 2018 12:15 PM CST
Jackie: I'll be interested in how your Porter tomatoes do for you. I tried those a couple of years
ago and was underwhelmed. They didn't produce that much for me and I didn't find the few tomatoes
I did get to be exceptional. Maybe I had a bad year for them, but I haven't tried them since.

I do have BKs in my garden, along with Black from Tula, Mortgage Lifter, Better Boy, Rose and
Caspian Pinks.
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RpR
May 11, 2018 12:37 PM CST
I do not , or rarely, raise tomatoes from seed, if I do I put it in the ground outside and hope for a warm fall. This year I had a packet of free black tomatoes I was going to seed but Sharon decided to side her house, actually decided over a year ago but it took the dweebs she gave 4,000 dollars to this long to get some one to actually do it, so where I would have put them is now part of continual foot traffic BUT ---- I have noticed up here, for a second year now, that the variety of tomatoes available from garden shops is GREATLY reduced, with the selection of heirloom types at best one fifth of what it was five years ago.

Have garden shops, green houses, in your area showed a similar change.?
Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
May 11, 2018 12:44 PM CST
No there are more than ever of the one plant per container heirloom types for sale.
Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
May 11, 2018 1:29 PM CST
The Porters were free so I had to give them a try since they were supposed to be adapted to the hot, humid climate. We're in a pretty muggy area come August-September, so I'll be very interested in how they're doing. I will be keeping track of yield, and will report back!! I have plenty more so if they do well, I can share Hurray!
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May 11, 2018 4:48 PM CST
I've been starting my tomatoes from seed for so long that I don't have any idea what varieties they sell in the garden centers around here -- maybe I'll go looking just out of curiosity!
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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
May 11, 2018 4:58 PM CST
If I am at a Garden Center I always look at the tomatoes to see what they have. Don't buy, just look.

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