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mdiesu
Jan 29, 2017 8:35 AM CST
Where can I learn more about Louis-Philippe Roses and where to purchase same.

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porkpal
Jan 29, 2017 9:25 AM CST
Have you looked in the NGA rose database and Help ME Find? That is where I would start.
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Calif_Sue
Jan 31, 2017 9:42 AM CST

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This is the HelpMeFind site mentioned above, you can search it by rose name and it will have a tab for sources.
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Hiyamakki
Jun 13, 2020 11:13 AM CST
I keep seeing it listed as a red but it sure looks like a deep pink to me. Similar to Ascot. I'm referring to the Charleston Graveyard variety since there seem to be multiple LPs!
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jerijen
Jun 13, 2020 2:02 PM CST
Hiyamakki --- That's a great question!

The answer is that 'Louis Phillipe -- like many Chinas -- varies in the intensity of its color with the weather and other conditions.

On the whole, it opens dark red buds to a pink-ish center, which darkens to blood red as the bloom ages. If you look at the photos on the HelpMeFind sight, at: https://www.helpmefind.com/ros... you'll see the wide variation. A standby in old cemeteries.

Mike Diesu .... You're in FL, so you'll find good sources at:
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...
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MikeInBatonRouge
Jun 13, 2020 2:38 PM CST
I could never be sure how to distinguish Louis Philippe from Cramoisi Superieur. I used to grow one or the other from cuttings I took from our big old rambling shrub in the community garden I was part of in New Orleans. My inlaws still have their start I gave them from those cuttings. It is now a 9 ft tall and equally spreading shrub. Whichever is the correct name, it certainly is mostly red but with shifting bits of pink in the center.
Baton Rouge, LA, zone 8b/9a.
MikeInBatonRouge
Jun 13, 2020 2:41 PM CST
As for sources, surely Antique Rose Emporium sells this one. It is a classic and right up their alley. For anyone in the Deep South, a tour of a handful of old cemetaries might turn up some sources you can "rose rustle." That is an adventure.
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jerijen
Jun 13, 2020 4:37 PM CST
They look a lot alike to me, too. But Louis Phillipe got to be 7-ft. tall here, lickety-split, while Cramoisi Superieur is an even 3 ft. or so. (And I don't see as much pink in C.S. as I do it L.P.) Thumb of 2020-06-13/jerijen/7d53b2

"Elisabeth's China" which is a Legacy Rose in the old Sacramento City Cemetery is a bit like L.P., I think and can get tall, too:
Thumb of 2020-06-13/jerijen/aea3d8

But so many Chinas look a lot like each other . . .
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AquaEyes
Jun 16, 2020 7:41 AM CST
The way I distinguish LP from CS is by looking to see where the lightening on the petals occurs. On CS, the reverse is lighter than the obverse, but the stretch of the petal is about the same from base to tip. On LP, the reverse matches the obverse, but the petals lighten from bases to tips. This matches early references, and corresponds to matching CS with its climbing form, but there are some problems. First, it's likely that what is grown as either includes self-fertilized seedlings, so there will be subtle variations. Second, nurseries have mixed them up for years, and I remember Vintage Gardens saying that how they're known on the east coast is the reverse of how they're known on the west coast. And third, throughout the season, both roses' blooms will vary, and not consistently show the traits I mentioned above. But on the CS and LP I have -- from the same nursery -- neither has flipped and shown the opposite trait. It's just that what I ordered as CS looks like what I'd call LP, and vice versa. And that's probably because it was an east coast nursery, and this is how they've been distinguished since who knows how long.

I can't really speak of growth habits, since here both need to be taken back hard after Winter takes its cut. What Jeri mentioned is something that would be seen after a few years of growth without being cut back.

:-)

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Hiyamakki
Jun 16, 2020 8:47 PM CST
I have this grand plan for a new bed next spring. Running right to left:
Traviata
Desdemona
Raspberry Cream Twirl (up a scraggly tree)
Benjamin Britten (hoping it rambles up the tree a little)
Ascot
Acropolis
Artemis

Then I saw LP. Now I'm considering replacing Traviata with it. Or maybe I should plant LP by my back fence instead of a climber (was thinking Roberta Bondar). I'm a fickle gal.

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