Plant ID forum: Which Forsythia?

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Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 11, 2011 11:07 AM CST
I take pictures as I drive around town of things I find appealing. Often if I ask the owner they don't know the name or I don't ask.This is a very large forsythia with heavy bloom. Any guess? I hope requests for ID's don't get tedious. Maybe there aren't enough distinctive features to recognize it.





Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
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JRsbugs
Nov 11, 2011 11:25 AM CST
I would hazard as guess at Weeping Forsythia (Forsythia suspensa) because of the weeping habit. Forsythia x intermedia hybirds are more upright.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsythia_suspensa

http://www.easybloom.com/plantlibrary/plant/weeping-forsythi...

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/f/forsus/forsus1.html

http://woodyplants.nres.uiuc.edu/plant/forsu

Some descriptions..

http://www.floridata.com/ref/f/fors_sus.cfm

There will be cultivars but Forsythia suspensa var. sieboldii is mentioned on floridata.. I don't know how tall that grows though, the photos I'm finding suggest it's a lower grower.

http://wp.hort.net/plant/forsusi40

http://wp.hort.net/plant/forsusi4

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/campus/vermont/6/9/9.html






Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 11, 2011 11:37 AM CST
All Forsythia listed on the data base are cultivars so I suspect it will be hard to determine which one it is so I can put it there.. Some plants have an introduction page for pictures with no ID...a general page. Forsythia does not. .
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
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JRsbugs
Nov 11, 2011 12:30 PM CST
There's only two entries for Forsythia suspensa, one is var. sieboldii.

http://garden.org/plants/browse/plants/genus/Forsythia/

The name Lian Qiao seems to refer to the name used for the fruits and is the Common name for this, obviously Chinese.

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Forsythia+susp...

http://www.jadeinstitute.com/herbal-detail-page.php?show=105...

http://www.stevenfoster.com/photography/imageviewsf/forsythi...

http://www.stevenfoster.com/photography/imageviewsf/forsythi...

A few types on offer, a new dwarf one called Forsythia x 'Show Off Starlet' has weeping foliage but it's new and dwarf. Hilarious!

http://www.daytonnursery.com/encyclopedia/Trees_Shrubs/forsy...

A search on Missouri Botanical Garden site brings up a list where you can view the descriptions and often photos, most are F. intermedia crosses and upright.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015816930756675652018:7gxyi5crv...

There might be some with both upright and weeping habit, it would be difficult to say for sure.

http://www.landscapeadvisor.com/forsythia-should-you-use-the...

Could we suggest a page for unidentified Forsythia too?
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JRsbugs
Nov 11, 2011 12:34 PM CST
I've asked for a page for Forsythia! Big Grin

The thread "Intro page for unidentified Forsythia?" in Plant Database forum
Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 11, 2011 12:46 PM CST
Thanks.....I think that in some ways an unidentified page defeats the purpose of ATP because it is easy just to dump pictures there without any effort at proper ID but I'm also always happy to have a spot for one I can't ID. I guess I want it both ways. *Blush*
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
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JRsbugs
Nov 11, 2011 12:52 PM CST
I know what you mean Paul, but I think most people will make the effort. If one is there and can be given a name sombody might see it and give it a name, the photo won't then be wasted!

Dave has made a page!

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Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST
The value of an unidentified page is that some one newer to plants can look there before being bewildered by all the cultivars. For example on Saintpaulia there are numerous cultivars but not one picture except on the first page. There are a bewildering number of Hostas so the first page helps the newbee. In a way it would be good if all the known cultivars of Hostas were grouped alphabetically and as new ones are posted they could be inserted in the correct position. This would apply to other popular plants with many cultivars. Then a person wouldn't have to scroll through many empty pages. Just an idea.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
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JRsbugs
Nov 11, 2011 1:51 PM CST
I can see that an unidentified page would be a good introduction to a type of plant Paul.

If you go to the Plants tab then search for a genus, then they do list alphabetically with a photo in the column if there is one. There's thousands of Hosta cultivars, I once used to check them out on a hosta site.

http://garden.org/plants/browse/plants/genus/Hosta/

I can see that a general introduction to a type of plant would be a good idea but with an example of all types of plants for those who are totally lost in the plant world! I wonder if that is possible, I wonder if Dave could do magic and link a single typical example of all the genera listed so they show in one place. That might be a very tall order though! It's not always that simple as species and hybrids within a genera can vary a great deal so as to not be reconised as belonging in the same genus.

Maybe an introduction to include a typical example in each family would be good for newcomers to plants, with notes on what a family, genus, species, cultivar or variety or form is. A link from each photo to the family might also be a good thing with sublinks to genera but I have a feeling that would be a lot of work.
Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
Charter ATP Member Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Annuals Echinacea Vegetable Grower Hybridizer
Tomato Heads Garden Photography Birds Cut Flowers Foliage Fan Plays in the sandbox
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Paul2032
Nov 11, 2011 1:59 PM CST
I have a lot of free time on my hands so I have fun [?] thinking about these things
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah

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