Cactus and Succulents forum: Aeonium Haworthii Kiwi and Haworthii Variegata

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Feb 5, 2017 2:23 PM CST
Hi :)

I was wondering if those 2 names were the same plant ? I couldn't find the answer on internet, because sometimes I find sites that sell those 2 plants under each name, sometimes I find sites than tell they are synonyms ... I tend to say it's synonyms, but I ask here to be sure :)

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Feb 5, 2017 2:33 PM CST

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The variegated Aeonium known as Kiwi also goes by other names, including Tricolor (Australia) and Kiwionium (Europe). In Rudolf Schulz's excellent book on the genus, he discusses the plant and calls it a hybrid of A. haworthii. The variegation is only on the new leaves, and as they grow up they lose it and go green.

I would imagine any variegated version of A. haworthii could go by the other name you mentioned. Kiwi is a specific plant which is probably not pure haworthii. But from a distance you could easily confuse the two.
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Feb 5, 2017 2:58 PM CST
If I well understand (my english is rusted on nuances sometimes ;), you say that any hybryd of Haworthii could be called Haworthii Variegata ? And so that Aeonium Kiwi is one of Haworthii Variegata that can exist ?

So it's not easy to tell if my plant is a Kiwi or any other Veriegata ?

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Feb 5, 2017 3:05 PM CST

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If you look for the whiter parts, they will all be toward the center on Kiwi. Yours appear on the older leaves too. So it's not Kiwi, I think.

Variegated Aeoniums are sort of a specialty thing and I only know maybe 3 or 4 different kinds. Hopefully someone with better knowledge can help you ID your plant.
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Feb 5, 2017 3:12 PM CST
Let's investigate Smiling
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Feb 5, 2017 4:57 PM CST
It's no easy to find, sometimes you find :
http://www.france-cactus.fr/cr...

and sometimes :
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos...

I guess as you said, the A.Kiwi seems much more on the green tones, and creme yellow on center. Maybe on the second link, it's much more another A.Variegata ... But it may depends on the sun exposure and the temperature too I guess...

I need an expert Hilarious!
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Feb 5, 2017 6:09 PM CST

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The twist which explains the first picture on that first link is that Kiwi, which is variegated, can give rise to non-variegated, green reversions. These all-green rosettes (edged with red but lacking the creamy margins at the center) look a lot like A. haworthii but again are supposed to be a hybrid with another species. I'm not quite sure what you would call one other than a haworthii hybrid or perhaps a Kiwi revertant.
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Feb 5, 2017 7:31 PM CST
Baja_Costero said: The variegation is only on the new leaves, and as they grow up they lose it and go green


Is this true of all variegated succulents as well?
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Feb 5, 2017 8:42 PM CST

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Nope, just Kiwi (that I know of).
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Thanks, appreciate you...
Be content moving inch by inch because, by days end, the inches, will add up to feet and yards.

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Baja_Costero
Feb 6, 2017 11:11 AM CST

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On the subject of variegated Aeoniums, here's a couple of related plants to compare, by way of example. They are not your plant but they do tell a story.

The first plant (Sunburst) is marginally variegated, the second plant (Starburst) is more subtly variegated on the center line of the leaf instead.



The interesting part is that Sunburst was the parent of Starburst (presumably a reversion or mutation) so they are quite similar in terms of size, flowers, etc. These are the sorts of changes you see in some variegated plants, given enough time and numbers.
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Feb 7, 2017 6:30 AM CST
That's very interesting Smiling I do prefer the shape of the haworthii kiwi/variegata but it's fun to see so many variegated species Smiling

I'll search tonight a website that could gather all (known) different kinds of variegated haworthi
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Feb 8, 2017 8:51 AM CST
To my knowledge (which isn't much) Haworthii is a name of a different class of plants and Aeoniums is another one completely different. The word Haworthi is from the man who discovered many plants and is named in his horror. This read was confusing to me. But I under stand now. I have never heard of a hybrid between the two.
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Feb 8, 2017 8:56 AM CST

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In this thread Aeonium is a genus and haworthii is a species within that genus. The Haworthia you're probably thinking of is a different unrelated genus closer to the aloes, and completely external to this discussion. Haworthia and Aeonium cannot hybridize (the first is a monocot, the second is a dicot). The inspiration behind both names is Adrian Hardy Haworth, a British botanist.
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Feb 8, 2017 9:10 AM CST
Thank you Baja for putting it so much better than I could.

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