Plant ID forum: Mystery Tree - praying it isn't black walnut...

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bootless_Day
Feb 5, 2017 3:50 PM CST
**more pics (sorta), see quotes at bottom**

Hey Guys! This might be a tough since the photo is terrible and it's the only photo I have...

... my friend wants a garden but this tree provides partial shade over the plot. Afraid it might be a black walnut since apparently they produce a chemical that kills nearby plants. She's not internet savvy, so I'm posting on her behalf. This is the photo she managed to send me on her phone. I tried to zoom in on as much detail as I could.

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Photo taken right after a rainstorm in Los Angeles, hence all the dropped leaves and probably darker-than-normal trunk. It just stopped raining when she took the pic.

Any help would be appreciated!!

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bootless_Day said: Thank You! porkpal, greene, ZM and ViburnumValley for all the greetings/thoughts/advice so far! I'll do my best do convince her to send me a better photo or find someone who can. In the meantime, I do know her address so I google-earthed her:

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there's a fence in the way so I can't see the trunk, but do these leaves help? It's the biggest I could get them.

I remember her telling me that the landlord said the trees were super old, 100 years or something. Not sure how true that is, but for her sake I like the idea of it being an old ash tree more than a black walnut Thumbs up hopefully that's the case


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bootless_Day said:For some reason (maybe my slow internet or forum restrictions) I can't upload large images; it just spins for 30+ minutes. So here's the best I can do:

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Top imagine is resized 50% smaller so it would load. This is the only google street view angle where the tree is visible. It's from the back alley. I blacked out buildings (to respect her privacy) and cropped away minimal blank sky/other trees. Bottom left should show some recycle/trash bin/alley for scaling purposes.

Bottom one is NOT resized, just screen printed then cropped heavily so it's small enough to load.

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Note, there are trees in the background, both also tall, one to the left and right. The tree in question is centered as best I could make it.

[Last edited by bootless_Day - Feb 6, 2017 4:00 PM (+)]
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Feb 5, 2017 3:57 PM CST
Unfortunately your images get smaller when "enlarged" - makes it hard to identify.
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greene
Feb 5, 2017 4:54 PM CST
Welcome! Welcome!
I agree Photos from phones do not always behave.
Please ask your friend in Los Angeles to please find someone with a digital camera and take detailed photos, clear, in-focus pictures of the leaves, stems, branches, bark, etc. and perhaps we will have a shot at identifying the tree. Thank You!
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ZenMan
Feb 5, 2017 5:36 PM CST
I had a go at enlarging one of the photos.
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Unfortunately you cannot effectively enlarge detail that isn't there. However, I do have a comment. There are a couple of Black Walnut trees that partially overhang my South Garden, in which I grow zinnias successfully. Fortunately for me, zinnias are one of the plants that are not affected by the Juglone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Incidentally, the limb structure in the photo is similar to the limb structure of our Black Walnut trees. My guess would be that it is a Black Walnut. But a significant number of plants can tolerate Juglone.

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ViburnumValley
Feb 5, 2017 7:58 PM CST
Looks a lot more like an Ash species (Fraxinus sp.) to me than a Walnut.

Of course, good pictures will make ID better and simpler. Look for alternate vs. opposite arrangement of that compound foliage, to reduce guessing at species.
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porkpal
Feb 5, 2017 8:59 PM CST
The growth pattern does look like an older Ash tree to me.
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bootless_Day
Feb 5, 2017 11:11 PM CST
Thank You! porkpal, greene, ZM and ViburnumValley for all the greetings/thoughts/advice so far! I'll do my best do convince her to send me a better photo or find someone who can. In the meantime, I do know her address so I google-earthed her:

Thumb of 2017-02-06/bootless_Day/747b89 Thumb of 2017-02-06/bootless_Day/98bec5

there's a fence in the way so I can't see the trunk, but do these leaves help? It's the biggest I could get them.

I remember her telling me that the landlord said the trees were super old, 100 years or something. Not sure how true that is, but for her sake I like the idea of it being an old ash tree more than a black walnut Thumbs up hopefully that's the case
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Feb 6, 2017 7:49 AM CST
If they are 100 years old, that would eliminate many Ashes.
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ViburnumValley
Feb 6, 2017 11:08 AM CST
Try posting the google image without zooming, so we can see the whole tree(s). That can also be a good diagnostic tool, as many species of trees have distinct habits different from other species.
John

bootless_Day
Feb 6, 2017 11:49 AM CST
For some reason (maybe my slow internet or forum restrictions) I can't upload large images; it just spins for 30+ minutes. So here's the best I can do:

Thumb of 2017-02-06/bootless_Day/5d9985

Top imagine is resized 50% smaller so it would load. This is the only google street view angle where the tree is visible. It's from the back alley. I blacked out buildings (to respect her privacy) and cropped away minimal blank sky/other trees. Bottom left should show some recycle/trash bin/alley for scaling purposes.

Bottom one is NOT resized, just screen printed then cropped heavily so it's small enough to load.

Thumb of 2017-02-06/bootless_Day/956a8a

Note, there are trees in the background, both also tall, one to the left and right. The tree in question is centered as best I could make it.

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Frillylily
Feb 6, 2017 11:57 AM CST
If it is black walnut there is going to be a shell, hull or similar around somewhere unless the person cleaning up in the fall has OCD. The hulls smell awful, I think the leaves even have a scent somewhat when they are crushed. Do the leaves smell? Why don't you just ask the neighbors around if the tree had fruits on it last fall? they are large and green and stink, no one forgets them, they are pain to clean up and you can't mow until you pick them up.



bootless_Day
Feb 6, 2017 12:31 PM CST
Thanks for the advice Frillylily! I don't live there myself so I haven't seen the property yet. My friend moved in Feb 1st so she's unsure the history. I'll see if she'll ask neighbors/landlord, but not sure she will. She's a very sweet lady, but she's very shy and keeps to herself. She's an old family friend and I'll be in town in early March and can get better photos then, but last we talked she said she wants to start buying seeds/garden prepping asap.

I just don't want her losing money on seeds/garden prep if the tree's just going to kill them all. Honestly though she'll probably go ahead and do it before asking for help.... which is why I'm here secretly on her behalf Whistling

Any help y'all can give would be great, but I totally understand if it's too hard to tell from the pics.
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McCannon
Feb 6, 2017 4:40 PM CST
This is what black walnut leaves and fruit look like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

I have 20 or so 40+ year old black walnut trees in my back yard. Too much shade under mine to grow much.
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